Quote (WarLord @ Feb. 02 2004, 11:36 am)

If u like single player just play Doom 3 then!!! Q4 must be a multiplayer game like Q3, not a SP....its a bit stupid build 2 SP game, i mean they are doing Doom3 in SP, it will be a waste of time have a Q4 SP on the same engine bcz it will results the same game prolly! Just my opinion

Warlord, if you want examples of games on the same engine that were entirely different, just say so. Because there are tons of examples. Also, if Quake IV is based on Quake II (which it is), it should have a single player campaign.

But I do see where he is coming from, Doom3 and Quake4 have common ancestry.

Reading this show's that most of you are not quake fans and want to lead quake 4 in the wrong direction just like every other game out there.

For one if you ever played quake 1 you would know that it had the dm, single player, and coop alreay and that it was done perfectly for the time.

I'm also tired of staight multiplayer games that just the same old thing over and over, from game to game

Since Quake 4 is going to be a new game and it runs under the Quake series. Which has pretty much been know as a first person shooter trend setter. Why not create something new.

Coop is a good idea, and guess what, a single player game can support both coop and dm. What a hard concept to understand.

And really does it matter that their will be two games out that are going to be at least 6 months appart. Does it really matter if their are two games that you can play instead of one.

Making the game single player gives more levels, more entertainment and makes the game worth a whole lot more to the consumer.

Ravensoft will make a great product of this game and if you don't trust them to do that then to bad for you.

Elite Force , soldier of forture I & II, starwars jedi academy,  jedi outcast, heretic II, and hexen II. All of which were pretty well done.

For all that for some reason don't like single player even though most come with multiplayer capabilities have got real issues. Medal of Honor that was a great single player game has at least 1500 people playing on gamespy alone the majority of the time. So in a way that game is almost a perfect example (besides halflife) of how a good single player game can be an excellent multiplayer game. But MoH didn't need a complete multiplayer expansion to make people like the game for it's multiplayer abilities.

To finish this off for now i think all is the best choice to make everybody happy and to make it better follow it's better predicessors Quake 1 and Quake 2.

wtf why was my post edited?!?!?!

Well I just bought another 10 copies of Quake 3 Arena from Amazon. I've lost count of how many copies I've bought for friends, the fact Quake 3 has SP is fine, however the reason I continue to buy it, setup servers and such is the MP.

Bot Matches do NOT constitute a singleplayer game!

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Quote (kinu_kawa @ Feb. 05 2004, 2:36 am)

And, to be honest, Quake 3 sucked.  I don't think I can say it in clearer terms.  When a game turns from being a game of strategy and skill into a mindless jumble of "bunny-hoppers"... Well, let's just say Q3 was a blatant attempt at taking some of the trend-based market away from Unreal Tournament, a market that began as THE market Quake1 (w/ single & co-op) created...

Quake 3 is the best in the series from a physics point of view.

You can't do most of this in the other Quakes:

http://www.trickingq3.com/frames.html

And yes, co-op is fun, but fighting repetitive and boring AI is just well, not fun after awhile. Same goes for SP. MP is where it's at. Most who think otherwise are just not up to the challenge.

Quake3 CPMA is maybe the best from the physics point of view, but standard Q3 feels a bit toned down compared to the Q1 and Q2 physics. In Q1 you could you had the unique air control, in Q2 the strafejumps were faster and you could double jump, etc.