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Quote (Wheezle @ July 03 2006, 11:09 am) But when you bring it into the  public arena, you need to start considering others. ...but then if I don't, you're going to be intolerant of my views?

Didn't you learn common courtesy? Is it that difficult a concept for you? Not to mention that if the so called rules on this board were actually enforced (hint hint) this wouldn't be happening. It's not your views that bother me. It's the apparent lack of care for other people's. This isn't supposed to be a place where you can just come and demean people because they believe differently.


Carver: New or not... makes no difference at all. Scare him off? Who's going to be scared off by that?  

No one appointed me representative for anything. Did I say anything about speaking for them? No. I said there are some here, and they won't like being referred to as a cult. Are you expecting someone to step forward and say "Actually, I quite like having my religious beliefs referred to as a cult..."?

If the same had been said about any other religion I'd be defending them too. I may be an atheist, but I don't see why anyone else should have their own religious beliefs threatened.

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Quote (LightningBoy @ July 04 2006, 2:40 am) Quote (Wheezle @ July 03 2006, 11:09 am) But when you bring it into the  public arena, you need to start considering others. ...but then if I don't, you're going to be intolerant of my views? Didn't you learn common courtesy? Is it that difficult a concept for you? Not to mention that if the so called rules on this board were actually enforced (hint hint) this wouldn't be happening. It's not your views that bother me. It's the apparent lack of care for other people's. This isn't supposed to be a place where you can just come and demean people because they believe differently.

I don't demand that ANYONE believe anything; but JUST as you are criticizing my beliefs, I am criticizing theirs.

Scientologists do not CHOOSE to belive what they've been convinced of, THAT is why I do not respect it. I do not respect hypnotic coersion.

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Carver: New or not... makes no difference at all. Scare him off? Who's going to be scared off by that?

 
So where is he then, maybe he has something else to do.

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No one appointed me representative for anything.

So you are self appointed

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I said there are some here, and they won't like being referred to as a cult. Are you expecting someone to step forward and say "Actually, I quite like having my religious beliefs referred to as a cult..."?

They might not care what other people think.

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If the same had been said about any other religion I'd be defending them too.

But do they really need defending.

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I don't demand that ANYONE believe anything; but JUST as you are criticizing my beliefs, I am criticizing theirs. Scientologists do not CHOOSE to belive what they've been convinced of, THAT is why I do not respect it. I do not respect hypnotic coersion.

I'm not criticizing your beliefs. What you believe doesn't matter to me. Re-read my last post. I never said you were demanding anything. I said you are demeaning others for their beliefs.

Saying scientologists don't choose to believe is just assumption on your part. You wouldn't know what their reasons for being scientologists are.

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So where is he then, maybe he has something else to do.

Yes... maybe he does. So what? Some people have lives...

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So you are self appointed

No. You're the one accusing me of trying to represent anyone. I never said I was.

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They might not care what other people think.

Or they might have already posted in this thread stating similar complaints about it to mine. But you already knew that.

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But do they really need defending.

That's irrelavent. It's against the freaking rules.

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So I don't, is that it?

That's not what I meant, but you can interpret it that way if you insist on taking offense. I'm on here just as often as you I'd say...

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I am not accusing you of anything, But here you are.

No I'm not. I'm saying it's offensive to accuse someone of being part of a cult.

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Calling some one religion a cult is aginst the rules?

Making offensive comments about someone's religion is.

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In your quote you only say they wont like it, not it is aginst the rules.

Again, making offensive comments is against the rules. Goes hand in hand.

Boys, boys, calm yourselves!  Both of you (Wheezle and George) are making the mistake of assuming you're being insulted.  And all of us have made/are making the mistake of lumping people of any one faith into a group.  "Group A believes/acts/says..." is generalization and unfair.  Just because the majority believes/acts/says one thing doesn't mean the whole does.  If you're going to judge a people group, judge each person individually.  If you're going to judge an idea (like the idea of Scientology itself), make sure you seperate it from it's adherents.

I'm not assuming i'm being insulted. This isn't personal for me.

My mistake, it sure seemed that way to me.

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Saying scientologists don't choose to believe is just assumption on your part. You wouldn't know what their reasons for being scientologists are.

Actually, as I posted earlier, a panel of Canada's top experts on psychology, hypnosis, and therepy would seem to agree with me that it is forced coersion. Let me ask you this: If you believed that Scientology was only a result of forced coersion, would you respect it, or would you see it as a sort of crime?