Please list what you hate the most about Quake4, the most common top 10 will be added to this list.   Here I'll start you off..

1. No SDK.
No SDK means no mods, though it should eventually arrive, mod developers are pulling their hair out in the meantime.

2. Crashes to desktop.  
Ok, you can expect games to crash every now and then, especially if they're new, but without any warnings or error messages? also messes windows gamma display, how annoying.

3. Poor server browser support.
We all know the browser is pretty basic to say the least and very limited, but in the age of online gaming, how hard is it to find a low ping server using this sorry piece of junk, very hard I tell you.  Any player with common sense will instantly switch to another server browser, which also lacks good support, /me crys.

4. Poor Performance
I could write a book about this, let me cut it short.  Quake is fast paced game, it demands stable and quality performance, unlike Pacman for example.  60fps is minimum! for this type of game, anything less and it feels laggy and you become second best to your opponent.  So why did the commands which give you a great performance boost get locked?  why can I get 10,000 more fps in Q3 even when Q4 is looking and playing almost identical?

5. Non-exsistant community support.
People are leaving Q4 daily, returning to Counter-strike, UT or buying newer games.  Not because Q4 is so bad, not because they dislike Q4, but because Q4 has issues and theres no plans to fix those issues, then again, perhaps there are plans and we "just don't know", either way they've left and won't be returning unless something major happens such as a patch with a dvd's worth of new content.

6. Bugs, etc, the beta effect
Its pretty clear that Q4 MP was rushed, it feels like a demo.  Definitly feeling the effects of there not being a demo or Raven just not having enough time.  Who is to blame? iD/Raven/Activision, they all are!

7. Lacking standard enhancements.
Lots of enchancments such as brightskins, improved netcode, multiview demos, etc, became the standard in Q3, mainly through mods such as OSP/CPMA.  I think Raven needs to look up the word "standard" in the dictionary.  Once someone sets a standard, it should be met, especially in a sequel.  In many ways, Q4 feels like going back in time before Q3 got good.

8. Tourney mode won't let me warmup.
All the tourney servers are empty.  Apparently there's a "broken" command that allows us to warmup.  Since its broken we can't warmup, so what we do? just sit on the server twiddling our thumbs until someones connects? I don't think so.

9. Developer priorities
There was a day when developers would create a game then support it until they were happy.  That day is no more. Raven are already working on other games, different version of the game etc.  It seems Raven, iD etc have lost their passion of making great games and instead have followed the green $ sign into pumping out very mediocre games.

10. Lacking content.
We already have 87 remixes of the standard maps.  Why? because their design is bad and there aint enough maps.  Nevermind lack of models, bots, etc.

Oh, well, maybe I'll find my 10...

1. DooM cloned.
2. Typical.
3. Lame storyline.
4. Very linear.
5. Stroggification.
6. No SDK - always a bad thing.
7. No bots.
8. Too much brightness when return to the desktop.
9. Some stuff is blindly copied from DooM 3.
10. Too brownish and murky.

I only bought the game for MP, so that's what my list will reflect.

1.) Shotgun is way too powerful or (more likely) needs to have more spread at medium range. It's just silly right now.

2.) Hyperblaster is a waste of time.

3.) You can't see who's "ready" in tourny mode - duh.

4.) Crash to desktops all the time - usually when you've been waiting to play in tourny for ages - grrrrr.

5.) Xearo Gravity. Why-oh-why-oh-why. Of all the maps...

6.) Armor looks too small - make it 25% bigger!

7.) Pathetic selection of models. Really pathetic.

8.) Rocket splash damage need to be upped a little bit - you can just be bouncing somebody around with rockets while they slowly kill you with the machine gun. Riiiight.

9.) Actually I've run out now.

Overall I'm very happy with the game - just needs some patching and more mods and maps. Runs great on my PC - 2.8GHz P4, 1GB RAM and 6800nu fully unlocked. Basically, Raven need to make some effort here....run with the ball.....take the bull by the horns.....whatever....or Q4 will die pretty quickly. Come on Raven get your act togther.....I live just down the road from you guys......don't make me come over there  

I only have 2 complaints:

1-  Terrible multiplayer performance (mainly on the space maps)

2-  Space maps.  Remake Q3DM7!!!!


Other than that Q4 is a great game... the dvd case sets on the top of my desk proudly.

I can only go back to SOF2, problematic in some areas, but truly an innovative, instant classic (with a steady following).

Point?

Some games are for fun.

Some games are for sale.

D'sparil awww coem come even quake 2 had 4 basic colors murky,brown,green and RED...with orange tints... *L* ya its sad when the guy from Quake 2 could walk thew Quake 4 on hard with out dieing once as long as he kepted his Quake 2 stuff *L*
Mmm my 10 would be

1.Genreic FPS clone (Alt fire for all weapons would help it be less generic)
2.Lack of items to use like Quake 2 and Hexen
3.Unbalanced Weapons
4.Poor MP support
5.Poorly Optimized (but then the engine is bloated anyway)
6.Basic level design I hate once thru gun and run maps (I miss the HUBs that were in Q2 and hexen)
7.Boreing Weapon design (better balance and alt fire would amke this a new game)
8.Horried Net code
9.Am I the only one that hates Theater Event music in games?
10.Bugs bugs and more bugs....but you'll get that with games that dont get good beta testing with a public demo the public demo is the final beta test and should be released ASAP so you can work the bugs out..but the problem with this is you show the quailty of the game and sicne games are looking better but palying worse you dont see many demos now adays....

1. Poor Scalability, utterly #### for computer JUST BELOW min requirements
2. Horrid sound in multiplayer, cant hear footsteps well, sound lags and hitches often.
3. Poor multiplayer map design
4. Strange netcode, cant pinpoint the cause it just feels dodgy (huge delay to rail/rockets/shotgun added when playing online instead of lan, and thats with 20 ping)
5. Lots of bugs
6. Multiplayer feels rushed, last minute add on.
7. Weapons arent balanced, shotgun & rail > all
8. Poorly Optimized
9. No SDK
10. The need for the mod community to fix what Raven did not/have not fixed.

To Zippy - I agree with you at many points, but somehow Q2 and heXen look much more colorful than Q4.

D'sparil
Ture I recal some intresting colors in Hexen 2 they overhuald Q1's engine and made it look neat with colors,I think one of the reasons why Q4 looks like it dose is becuse DOOM 3 was made for theatrics (shadow paly and such) and not vibrance also this fad of WAR SIM FPSs  try to bring colors down whatch saveing private ryan or any other WAR movie where it has 5 bsic colors green, brown,mud, skin colors and the red red blood 0-o

Please keep DooM out of this. Just type Dark Mod into google and click the first link...