I have played enough of bf3 now to give my honest and hopefully unbiased opinion of it. I was all set to pre-order but waited for the beta to make sure it turned out as good as it looked.

Im sure if you played it by now, your have an opinion on it. Please post it up here as i would love to hear your thoughts

Ok so the map, operation metro. I have tried to enjoy it but it really isn't my taste of map. With that said, its in no way a bad map, nice variety of open fields, underground subway and city locations, mcom stations seem pretty well placed and have multiple points you can attack from.

Battlefield games are separated from the rest due to the map size and most importantly the vehicles, so too show off the game they pick and mostly close combat map with no vehicles. This will only appeal to few people and dare i say action fps (cod?) players. I have seen numerous complaints about the map.

Now caspian border is a much better map to show off the game, huge, all vehicles and generally much more fun. The only map i can stand to play (which they have now pulled down all servers for)

Now i know you can't judge a games quality by the beta but the amount of bugs i have come across is astonishing, falling through the ground, shooting through rocks, spawning in trees, and some animation bugs to start. The hit boxes seem to not have been improved on and i still find myself being shot long after i have taken cover (this alone ruins any e-sport potential for the game)

My biggest problem is the lack of squad management (cant make/choose squads) and the death mechanics. What i mean by death mechanics is getting shot really doesn't even show, most times i just end up dead with no indication i was even being shot at. I know suppression blurs the screen a bit and heavy damage give a slight red overlay but what happened to the 'thud', 'ping' sounds when getting hit...

My excitement for this game has gone, i cant push myself to play metro again and the gameplay changes make me wonder if it's even worth buy the game let alone pre-order it.

What are your views on the beta?

I actually like the game quite a bit. Now, I'm comparing it to the new BFBC2 game of course. EA and Dice seem to have no inclination to go back to the days of BF2 and BF2142.

I agree that there are bugs and I am expecting that the team oriented functions of the game will be fixed (as in they are broken right now). Of course, that makes the obvious point that you should consider waiting for the full release of the game and confirm that these bugs (if they are important to you) have been fixed before you make your purchase.

For a full run-down of what I think... and how much I hate Origin... check out episode 302 of MODSonair releasing October 7th.

There's been mixed ideas. It's been said that the final version is different from the beta. And the beta was ran on an older code, a month old beta. As they were trying to get the beta approved, they have already fixed the glitches, problems, etc. Others say DICE did nothing and the beta is what we're going to get with patches. DICE did say the above, where they did fix the bugs and glitches.

And yes, OM is not the best map to feature. Caspian Border is the only map to preview.

I personally like BF3 but it's not the same! It's definitely easier to do teamwork and get points, so I like that. It's easier/quicker to rank up. BF2 took forever but I kinda like that. Problem with BF3 is that the ranking is more like COD, like Corporal II, Corporal III, give me a break. They should keep the traditional ranking system.

And yes, the squad needs fixing but as I have said, this has been fixed for the final.

You don't have to force yourself to play the beta, just wait till the final release. You might as well just get it for SP if you don't like MP that much.

I do agree the gameplay changed to a much quicker style. Nonetheless, I still got it, like I got BC2 (bad decision but I still got it).

I agree with Foyleman, I hate Origin as well. I saw the MODSONAIR today for a while. I hate it mainly because it's a spyware and it's annoying like STEAM to turn on an application just to play a game.

You can't fight the changing economy, the kids, and COD, lol ironically, we "live" COD.

Someday, things will change and revert back to the traditional gameplay styles.

I havent played a lot to be honest yet I am finding myself getting caught up in it. Sure it is beta so I dont expect it to be totally polished. The final had better be since I have pre-ordered.

The biggest complaint that I have at this moment is the age old pubber server. You come in like you are a green fee player at a golf course. You dont know who you are playing against, you have your pro gamers and the Johnny Newbie going head to head. It will play out poorly for Johnny at the beginning. But since they are public servers you will get and do get very little help or education from those there. I do see a lot of CoD in that you have RnG and the more tactical players. I do believe that I see more tactical players than is the norm in CoD. But one thing I did see tonight while playing is that ProGamers, some of them, know the map so well that of course they know the usual spawn points. Can you see my point coming? Yes, spawn camping....

My group, Mappers United, will have our own server up on release day or shortly thereafter. It is my hope that with regulars and a decent control panel, program, whatever that groups, clans can tailor their servers to keep it fun and exciting for all.

Im not going to cancel my order. I want to see what more will come from this game. I remain optimistic.

I gave the beta a whirl was extremely disappointed at what I saw. Too me the whole hyper-doodle-marketing machine has focused on the the "looks" of the game. Well, the "looks" aren't all that spectacular.

What I, in Operation Metro, was the ability to wreak havoc on the local foliage, and well, that's about it. The map seemed way to open, and cover consisted of BF3: Bush Warfare. Add too the fact that the backdrops were all 2D-faced repetitive static boxes. Let's talk about a little bit of the positives as I know most are foaming at the mouth to cast me as a heathen of society.

The actual "Metro" area of the map was pretty acceptable and I actually enjoyed it, however, again, destruction seemed non-existent? Gameplay also flowed a bit better down here with plenty of opportunities to flank, outsmart, overlap, or noob tube your enemy.

Now for the weapons. They seem un-balanced from the start. There's a significant difference between the M16/Ak74, in me eyes, too big of a difference. Perhaps a bit of tweaking should go on before release? Gameplay also felt like a sad attempt to copy CoD's great pace/flow/ and design. Prone and crouch suddenly became important again, but the maps just don't suit it.

I love CoD, always have, always will, but when another IP tries to copy it, and merge it with it's own ideas, only bad things come out of it. Instead, DICE should have kept that great BF theory of large maps, land, sea, air warfare. I don't want another CoD I want Battlefield.

I guess everyone is pretty much on the same page. And it is a marketing scheme, at least that's my word to use. Especially that there are devs that wants to follow COD, simply b/c they have no choice, considering that COD is successful and popular (yet, it sucks. Popular does not mean good). Profit is what's important in every business. Game companies are the same. They want the same success and profit making COD. You can't blame the devs for this. However, you can blame the devs for not showing BF style maps. Realistically, COD player would think "it's just another COD game, why bother getting this". So it would be a good idea to show what the intended style is, in this case Conquest, the true BF game. This of course will hook up players.

And yes, it's all about the "looks" these days. Again, it's a marketing scheme and because of the new hardware; everyone is concerned on graphics and appeal. However, b/c of the new hardware, it should be able to create better gameplay. Devs don't focus on this. I still haven't interpret or figure out why. Why does everything has to look pretty?

And I don't know if you, VeeTee, actually played BF. If not, then that proves my point that COD players just think that it's another COD game, why bother. If so, well, I am still right. There's still gonna be COD players for BF, like me, and the idea is mutual.

And it's always good to stay optimistic. It's always good to try and not judge something based on its cover or beta. The best thing is to try. And you may say you tried, but you haven't tried out the final/actual game yet. Even the tiniest details can change the game drastically. Like balancing like weapons, etc. I see it as a little thing b/c people don't usually notice these things until the end, like after you shot someone. And knife killing. There is always a delay. Though it's pretty small, not everyone would be concerned on this, if it's fix, it changed the game drastically and make it more playable. Then people will start noticing. And rewards. It's small, usually people don't look into it. They just see that yes, they get this rewards and that rewards. Once you fix this, it changes things and make it more enjoyable, ie. working hard to achieve. And even the literally little things, like footsteps, you can hear it louder. It changes the game. You change the models/objects. No one usually notice the models/objects, but if you do, it makes the game more enjoyable, like bushes. Change the bushes to make it look different and plays different, players will eventually think that bush hiding is no longer effective and they start playing more tactically. So yeh.

edited on Oct. 4, 2011 01:10 am by sam_fisher3000


Double post? how weird. Please delete the previous post, if you can admins. Thanks.

Deleted double posts for you. Mystic

sam_fisher3000 writes...

I've bought and played every BF game to date. Excluding BF3, that I have only played the beta. I leave you with this, the BC2 beta was light-years ahead compared to where the BF3 beta stands, and had a true "Battlefield" feel to it.

Now I shouldn't say BF is "CoDish", in some aspects it is, but on a higher note it is more of a MoH/CoD/BF hybrid.

VeeTee writes...

Ah, ok. Well, I am still right. There are still COD players for BF.

I have played BF1942 but not much. It's a good game but I prefer my WW2 game arcadish. That's one of the reasons why I play COD. Even if WW2 COD is realistic, I will still play it. I am ok with realistic WW2 games but I prefer arcadish. So when BF2 came out, I like it and prefer its realism in modern battlefield. Yes, I prefer realistic modern shooters.

Well, I wouldn't say BC2 is light-years ahead. Perhaps you meant the condition in comparison of the BF3 beta (bugs/glitches). Eh, not so much true BF.

MOH is made by DICE, at least MP wise. I do notice some stuff, like the the Blue HUD. I am ok with it. I actually like MOH. MOH was fun despite what people says. It is harder to play, I can give you that, but it was fun. Just no prone...I like the shooting too. I still like the historic MOH. sigh, why does everything has to be modern. At least differentiate yourself from COD.

To me, BF3 BETA (not final game) is COD style, simply b/c of the players, silly Rush mode, and explosive planting on the M-COM. Tell me how this isn't any different from COD's Headquarters or Domination, or w/e the bomb planting gameplay is. Lack of vehicles and teamwork. Key factor, no teamwork. BF and COD always have this key distinction between the two. However, in this case, it's more b/c of the players. And the players have to be counted in judging the game. Conquest - true teamwork gametype. Not some explosive planting ---. And it's only one player planting, it would make it a lonewolf/dominate player. Conquest - flag capturing, everyone works together to capture the flag and pushing the enemies back. You may say one person and capture. Well, it's slow and you can be killed easily, so you need teammates.

Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinions.


I am still going to receive my copy.

I hate origin. If you know me, you know that to be true. So in that spirit, I bring you this (clipped from DORKLY).

foyleman writes...


LOL....Isn't that a little inappropriate... :D

You just hate the tech support right?

lol.....it's very funny....

Doesn't make sense though. lol it's funny but annoying and tongue twisty.

lol eh.