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AFirstTImeMapMaker
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Since: May 30, 2011
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Last: Oct 27, 2018
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Category: General Gaming
Posted: Saturday, Sep. 29, 2012 02:18 pm
Treyarch and Infinity Ward are dead to me, the buisness department or anyone who makes these stupid decisions are trash.

There was nothing wrong with rented ded servers, not one. It gave people the freedom to create the game they wanted. If people do not like the rules set up by the server admins, go to a Treyarch official server or a different game.

This game will fail harder than MW2, lag will be the day 1 complaint for most people since Activision can not place ded servers close to everyone in the world.




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Ray
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Since: Apr 24, 2006
Posts: 1027
Last: Nov 17, 2013
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Category: General Gaming
Posted: Saturday, Sep. 29, 2012 02:35 pm
Tally writes...
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zeroy writes...
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Without entering into those pee-peeing contest you seem to enjoy: I'm only going by the numerous Clan guys I follow or know and by their reaction on Twitter, the pounding PCDev is getting over it and the overwhelming negativity where the post was announced:

http://community.callofduty.com/community/call_of_duty/english/black_ops_2/blog/2012/09/28/pc-online-security-matchmaking-and-server-intel

Whatever way you put it, a lot of communities today are very unhappy about the news. At Mappers United for instance the guys played Black Ops to death - while the dealio wasn't great, it was workable... they moved on to BF3 but BO2 was a real possibility, something after today's news is a non-runner.

I suppose it depends on what side you look at it. My own background has always been around clans/communities rather than loners or occasional COD players so maybe thats why im seeing all the grief from this news...


I could lay a great long post on you about how you've only been around in this community for 4 short years and that you're not as "connected" to the clan scene as you like to think (where were you for the previous 5 years?), but I wont. I will simply post a tweet I received from someone who was old school but isn't too old to move with the times:

Quote:
Face Facts Guys #CallOfDuty Is Changing Either Change With It Or Don't Buy It Those are the simple Stone Cold Facts Deal With It. #BlackOps2


That sums it up perfectly. Clans will either have to learn to adapt, or die. It is the old Darwinian principle of survival of the fittest: those who are too old to adapt, will die; those that aren't will survive. There are literally thousands of clans out there that exist on the basis of COD's party system alone. They have survived without the need to own or rent their servers. They simply party up and play. With BO2's competitive features, that will be all the more easy for those who are willing to adapt and move with the times.

As for your mention of Mappers United - isn't that the site that a week ago - long before this announcement - posted a great big front page post saying goodbye to COD? I think it is. Hardly a group open to what BO2 is or could have been, is it?



LOL David.

Dont ever change please, I need the entertainment value once in awhile. As for my site and our choice in games, editorial content, etc, that will remain our right to choose and voice up on. Doesnt really matter what my or our collective opinions are because just like you with us we dont really give a damn what you have to say.
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IWRevolver
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Since: Jul 10, 2007
Posts: 191
Last: Sep 30, 2012
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Category: General Gaming
Posted: Saturday, Sep. 29, 2012 08:04 pm
[eek]

Man I love this community!
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VeeTee
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Since: Sep 25, 2011
Posts: 34
Last: Sep 30, 2012
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Category: General Gaming
Posted: Saturday, Sep. 29, 2012 08:31 pm
DrUmBuM writes...
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[eek]

Man I love this community!


This isn't a community... I remember what modding sites used to be, now it's all disgruntled individuals that can't change with the times.

If you don't like CoD, and the direction it's going you could always make your own "Disgruntled Men United" website to post topics about it, which will get little to no views and will be... shall I say, laughed at.

P.S. That's my personal opinion
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Tally
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Since: Apr 21, 2005
Posts: 819
Last: Oct 26, 2012
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Category: General Gaming
Posted: Saturday, Sep. 29, 2012 09:45 pm
AFirstTImeMapMaker writes...
Quote:
Treyarch and Infinity Ward are dead to me, the buisness department or anyone who makes these stupid decisions are trash.

There was nothing wrong with rented ded servers, not one. It gave people the freedom to create the game they wanted. If people do not like the rules set up by the server admins, go to a Treyarch official server or a different game.

This game will fail harder than MW2, lag will be the day 1 complaint for most people since Activision can not place ded servers close to everyone in the world.






The thing is there was something wrong with the old system. Admins were calling them "their servers" and that they could do what the hell they wanted with them. What they failed to realise was it wasn't "their game". It was Activision's. Activision didn't want them using 3rd party programs to detect what weapons were being used on a ranked server, and kicking or banning you for using them. In a ranked game, all weapons and perks are valid. So, what these misguided admins were doing was treating ranked servers as if they were unranked and tried turning them into unranked servers.

And the players were getting very annoyed with it. It is the number 1 complaint on the Steam forums with dedicated servers. When the words "dedicated servers" were used in connection with BO2, users would post that they were sick of "stupid admins and their stupid rules". And quite rightly. I myself loath the practice. I myself have been personally banned from over 20 BO1 servers simply for using a weapon which is considered ranked by Treyarch, yet which the admin in question considered prohibited. So, they banned me for using it. This is patently wrong imho.

These admins defend their actions by arguing that if you didn't like their rules, you could always leave and find another server. But that was too late, as leaving a ranked game incurs a penalty which shows up in your stats. And anyway, players don't want to have to read a server's description in the browser list. They just want to find a server with a low ping and click on it, expecting it to be ranked. Unranked servers should not be in a ranked server listing at all.

So, in answer to all this abuse of the ranked server status - something which goes on in the BF3 world today despite an EA ranked server policy which prohibits all the "knife only" or "shotgun only" servers - Treyarch decided to do away with the ability to rent servers all together. This will now guarantee the ranked game experience, and standardize the experience across all the platforms.

As for matchmaking, there is nothing wrong with it. It is quite fun. The only thing wrong with it is when it's run over a P2P backbone. When the player numbers drop off on PC, it gets more and more laggy due to the matchmaking pool being reduced over time. Now, that wont happen with the use of dedicated servers. So, I am looking forward to having hours and hours of fun with my mates, who I can party up with and have a blast.

As for your comments about BO2 failing. Define failure. I say this because we all know it will see shed loads and break more box office records.

People said that MW3 would fail in particular on PC because it used IWNet again. Yet it managed to sell 400 thousand on day 1:

http://www.lazygamer.net/xbox-360/modern-warfare-3-sells-nearly-10-million-copies-on-day-one/

4 percent of 10 million on day 1 is 400 thousand. To date, the DLC for the game continues to sell well. I don't call that game a failure if we are talking about pure sales.

Of course, numbers don't mean anything on their own do they? Hence why I said you would need to define what failure is. You mention lag on day 1 due to too few servers world wide. That, of course, would genuinely lead to a poor playing experience. But as you have no proof nor any genuine foreknowledge how many servers Activision are going to be actually providing on day 1, you have no way of knowing if you are correct or not; or if you are, as I suspect, simply blowing hot air. The proof as they say is in the eating. Only time will tell if this game is going to be great fun like Black Ops 1 was, or if it is going to be the epic failure a small niche group in the community are predicting it will be.
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Tally
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Since: Apr 21, 2005
Posts: 819
Last: Oct 26, 2012
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Category: General Gaming
Posted: Saturday, Sep. 29, 2012 11:24 pm
Ray writes...
Quote:
Tally writes...
Quote:
zeroy writes...
Quote:
Without entering into those pee-peeing contest you seem to enjoy: I'm only going by the numerous Clan guys I follow or know and by their reaction on Twitter, the pounding PCDev is getting over it and the overwhelming negativity where the post was announced:

http://community.callofduty.com/community/call_of_duty/english/black_ops_2/blog/2012/09/28/pc-online-security-matchmaking-and-server-intel

Whatever way you put it, a lot of communities today are very unhappy about the news. At Mappers United for instance the guys played Black Ops to death - while the dealio wasn't great, it was workable... they moved on to BF3 but BO2 was a real possibility, something after today's news is a non-runner.

I suppose it depends on what side you look at it. My own background has always been around clans/communities rather than loners or occasional COD players so maybe thats why im seeing all the grief from this news...


I could lay a great long post on you about how you've only been around in this community for 4 short years and that you're not as "connected" to the clan scene as you like to think (where were you for the previous 5 years?), but I wont. I will simply post a tweet I received from someone who was old school but isn't too old to move with the times:

Quote:
Face Facts Guys #CallOfDuty Is Changing Either Change With It Or Don't Buy It Those are the simple Stone Cold Facts Deal With It. #BlackOps2


That sums it up perfectly. Clans will either have to learn to adapt, or die. It is the old Darwinian principle of survival of the fittest: those who are too old to adapt, will die; those that aren't will survive. There are literally thousands of clans out there that exist on the basis of COD's party system alone. They have survived without the need to own or rent their servers. They simply party up and play. With BO2's competitive features, that will be all the more easy for those who are willing to adapt and move with the times.

As for your mention of Mappers United - isn't that the site that a week ago - long before this announcement - posted a great big front page post saying goodbye to COD? I think it is. Hardly a group open to what BO2 is or could have been, is it?



LOL David.

Dont ever change please, I need the entertainment value once in awhile. As for my site and our choice in games, editorial content, etc, that will remain our right to choose and voice up on. Doesnt really matter what my or our collective opinions are because just like you with us we dont really give a damn what you have to say.


From a tweet from a former staff member at MU, now a developer at Treyarch:

Cornrow Wallace writes...
Quote:
you can take the community out of RGN, but you can't take the RGN out of the community. so long, MU. another mod site I won't visit anymore


Good Job MU! How to p*iss off your friends as well as your enemies!

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Ray
General Member
Since: Apr 24, 2006
Posts: 1027
Last: Nov 17, 2013
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Level 8
Category: General Gaming
Posted: Sunday, Sep. 30, 2012 03:59 am
Tally writes...
Quote:
Ray writes...
Quote:
Tally writes...
Quote:
zeroy writes...
Quote:
Without entering into those pee-peeing contest you seem to enjoy: I'm only going by the numerous Clan guys I follow or know and by their reaction on Twitter, the pounding PCDev is getting over it and the overwhelming negativity where the post was announced:

http://community.callofduty.com/community/call_of_duty/english/black_ops_2/blog/2012/09/28/pc-online-security-matchmaking-and-server-intel

Whatever way you put it, a lot of communities today are very unhappy about the news. At Mappers United for instance the guys played Black Ops to death - while the dealio wasn't great, it was workable... they moved on to BF3 but BO2 was a real possibility, something after today's news is a non-runner.

I suppose it depends on what side you look at it. My own background has always been around clans/communities rather than loners or occasional COD players so maybe thats why im seeing all the grief from this news...


I could lay a great long post on you about how you've only been around in this community for 4 short years and that you're not as "connected" to the clan scene as you like to think (where were you for the previous 5 years?), but I wont. I will simply post a tweet I received from someone who was old school but isn't too old to move with the times:

Quote:
Face Facts Guys #CallOfDuty Is Changing Either Change With It Or Don't Buy It Those are the simple Stone Cold Facts Deal With It. #BlackOps2


That sums it up perfectly. Clans will either have to learn to adapt, or die. It is the old Darwinian principle of survival of the fittest: those who are too old to adapt, will die; those that aren't will survive. There are literally thousands of clans out there that exist on the basis of COD's party system alone. They have survived without the need to own or rent their servers. They simply party up and play. With BO2's competitive features, that will be all the more easy for those who are willing to adapt and move with the times.

As for your mention of Mappers United - isn't that the site that a week ago - long before this announcement - posted a great big front page post saying goodbye to COD? I think it is. Hardly a group open to what BO2 is or could have been, is it?



LOL David.

Dont ever change please, I need the entertainment value once in awhile. As for my site and our choice in games, editorial content, etc, that will remain our right to choose and voice up on. Doesnt really matter what my or our collective opinions are because just like you with us we dont really give a damn what you have to say.


From a tweet from a former staff member at MU, now a developer at Treyarch:

Cornrow Wallace writes...
Quote:
you can take the community out of RGN, but you can't take the RGN out of the community. so long, MU. another mod site I won't visit anymore


Good Job MU! How to p*iss off your friends as well as your enemies!




It matters not one single bit to me what James has to say about much of anything. I already know most of the story about why he has his panties in a knot. I am pretty sure that you dont know much about it but as per usual you spout half truths in the guise of fact. Besides, he is a pretty damn good mapper but was not very helpful as a staff member at my site. I wish him well at Treyarch but I dont miss him at MU. As a matter of fact it seems that he is knocking rgn pretty good judging by your above quote of his statement. RGN seems to be the bottom of the barrel nowadays and you seem to be a fixture over there. Finally found your true spot in life. Good job!!
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Ray
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Since: Apr 24, 2006
Posts: 1027
Last: Nov 17, 2013
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Level 8
Category: General Gaming
Posted: Sunday, Sep. 30, 2012 04:32 am
As to the topic at hand, seems many of us as opposed to one of us being anal about defining this that and the other thing, we generally seem to agree that there are no mod tools and no dedicated servers as per what we had with BO.

The playing/paying members at Mappers United seem to share in the same opinion that BO2 will be a pass for them. We dont need anyone, someone to quote to us how much money was made by Activision with BO so as to judge whether or not a game was a failure or not. Of course BO2 will make a ton of money and will be considered another major success for the shareholders. But that does not change the fact that my group is already disappointed with what we are facing with the upcoming release. We are seeing it as a failure for us already based on whatever we want to base it on.

I did write an editorial on saying goodbye to Call of Duty before the latest release of server information as mentioned above. It only proves out that we were already disillusioned with Call of Duty prior to getting that information. Our group has not exactly warmed up to the game again since the latest information either.

Things change, games change, opinions change. The future will be what it is. Mappers United will constantly evolve and expand as per the wishes of its members. There is only democracy practiced there as opposed to those sites that are dying under a dictatorship. Who knows, with our flexibility and openminded style we may end up liking what BO2 shapes up to be after its release and join in the fun. This will depend on how things go. In the meantime I wish those that are still loving the game the very best and I hope you enjoy the game and everything that comes with it.
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zeroy
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Since: Nov 26, 2007
Posts: 1060
Last: Mar 12, 2014
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Category: General Gaming
Posted: Sunday, Sep. 30, 2012 05:52 am
VeeTee writes...
Quote:
DrUmBuM writes...
Quote:
[eek]

Man I love this community!


This isn't a community... I remember what modding sites used to be, now it's all disgruntled individuals that can't change with the times.


Its going to be tough talking modding about BO2 somehow. Modding = need modtools.

Anyway, I'm really lost at times with you guys - from the modding community now in ATVI Studios - Why do you even bother coming to insult the very sites and people that helped you in the past? We know where you work now, we don't expect you to say anything but nice things about your game, hey I am in the same boat, it pays the bills right? Why not trying to promote the game you are working on instead? Tell us how great it is and why we should buy it, I would much prefer that!!

How hard is it to understand that some people have/had a genuine passion for COD and are "disgruntled" about the latest development of their favourite franchise? For me, not hard at all - it doesn't mean I wont congratulate my friends working in Treyarch for releasing BO2 - the decisions regarding servers or tools are hardly theirs .....

Many will end up buying the game - I personally left the old mod-tools argument for COD a while back and so I'll enjoy the game for what it is - MP doesn't look exactly my cup of tea but SP and Zombies are looking attractive...
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Ray
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Since: Apr 24, 2006
Posts: 1027
Last: Nov 17, 2013
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Level 8
Category: General Gaming
Posted: Sunday, Sep. 30, 2012 06:26 am
VeeTee writes...
Quote:
DrUmBuM writes...
Quote:
[eek]

Man I love this community!


This isn't a community... I remember what modding sites used to be, now it's all disgruntled individuals that can't change with the times.

If you don't like CoD, and the direction it's going you could always make your own "Disgruntled Men United" website to post topics about it, which will get little to no views and will be... shall I say, laughed at.

P.S. That's my personal opinion



OMG Jake!!! That really hurts. Actually it made me laugh just about as much as a couple of other posters did in this thread.
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