Another for the legion of experts on both sides. Joy.

Interesting.. I hope they post their research on the net.. that would make an interesting read.

Quote (LightningBoy @ April 10 2006, 9:43 pm)

Quote His conclusion? The earth's climate changes naturally, and unpredictably, in cycles.

Unpredictably.. in cycles.

Hmmm.... unpredictable predictability based on a century of data.

I think he may be overstating his findings.  


On a related note,  to balance out the Fox news, here's an show I heard on the local NPR station with a few NOAA scientists (that's a government research agency) regarding the human impact on ocean acidity:


KUOW Weekday

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...since 1998, average temperatures across the globe haven't increased at all and, in fact, have dropped slightly. ...the Earth got warmer between 1918 and 1940; before worldwide industrialization; and cooled between 1940 and 1968; during the height of the industrial era.

Kinda hard to just explain that away... and balancing out Fox News? It wasn't their report; they just presented it's conclusions; just as I presented it to you.

Funny you should say that about FOX.  I just dreamed about them...  They were the only network that didn't broadcast the news that Dubbya was the "mastermind" behind 9/11.  Then Jack Bauer showed up... and Col. O'neil.  Problems with the Stargate you see...

Did I mention that I've been feverish since Saturday due to a bad case of the flu?  Guess not...  Oh!  And it's now 3:00am and I really dreamed (or is it dreamt) all of that at the same time...  That's why I woke up...

Quote (LightningBoy @ April 10 2006, 10:55 pm)

Quote ...since 1998, average temperatures across the globe haven't increased at all and, in fact, have dropped slightly. ...the Earth got warmer between 1918 and 1940; before worldwide industrialization; and cooled between 1940 and 1968; during the height of the industrial era. Kinda hard to just explain that away... and balancing out Fox News? It wasn't their report; they just presented it's conclusions; just as I presented it to you.

Re Fox:  Did they present any many other conclusions that are contrary to this one?  They certainly have shown themselves to be biased in other areas.

Re explaining it away:  
1) The time scale is to short.  
2)  The effects of natural swings in teamperature could have overwhelmed/hidden the impact of industrialization (as others have implied here - it's all natural, we don't make a difference etc...).  
3) It's not the pollution and CO2 that we are dumping into the atmosphere today or at any given time that really matters. It's the overall accumulation that is important...  There may have been a 28 year natural cool period preceeded by a 32 year warm period.   What comes next?  What impact does all the CO2 and pollutants that have been taken out of the earth (where they were sequestered for millions of years) and dumped into the atmoshphere over the last 150 years.   How does that compare to the centuries before.

This guy takes too narrow a view for his results to be a definitive answer on global warming.  They may be interesting data on how the atmosphere works, but they don't answer the global warming question....

PANIC ................... ICE AGE ON THE WAY. i wondered why there a polar bears and penguins in the local park

Hey, if Global Warming can make every Ohio winter like the one we had this year, I'm all for it!

Quote (sandman_qc @ April 11 2006, 1:05 am)

Funny you should say that about FOX.  I just dreamed about them...  They were the only network that didn't broadcast the news that Dubbya was the "mastermind" behind 9/11.  Then Jack Bauer showed up... and Col. O'neil.  Problems with the Stargate you see... Did I mention that I've been feverish since Saturday due to a bad case of the flu?  Guess not...  Oh!  And it's now 3:00am and I really dreamed (or is it dreamt) all of that at the same time...  That's why I woke up...

I dreamed an entire episode of battlestar gallactica crossed with the philidelphia experiment..  
the cheif got his hand stuck inside his own chest. one of the deck crew got stuck inside the floor. etc.
the cylons showed up for an all out attack but basically just hung back out of range and then left the area when they realised we were already fuxored.
meanwhile the Pegasus suffered a 'warp core breach(!?)' and had to be abandoned. I was part of a crew trying to get the vipers off the pegasus before it went nova.

I woke up because I realised that the pegasus had no markII vipers and the whole thing must be a dream or something because here I was, in the cockpit of the wrong ship.

I tested my theory by using the force to make a cargo container 'fly' into my hand and then rolled my eyes and woke up. gotta be a dream. I can only use "the force" in that mid-state between waking and dreaming. sometimes I can carry it through and turnit into a lucid-dream (walk around like a jedi in the wrong universe, conscious of the fact that I'm dreaming, with the ability to break the laws of physics like Neo: "there is no spoon") but this time I just allowed myself wake up.  #### it.

*yawn*

*stretch*

then I made coffee.

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and yeah I had the flu too.   I'm just getting over it now.  
last week I lost 12 pounds in 4 days from puking so hard (without eating).
I've spent the last 2 weeks "lucid dreaming" (and getting really good at using "the force" to move objects with my mind )*

*its so easy now, I can do it in my sleep heh.

fun times.