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Akshara~rb
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Since: Dec 23, 2006
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Category: Jedi Knight - Jedi Academy
Posted: Wednesday, Nov. 5, 2003 04:54 pm
Well, you just lost one very vocal Raven supporter on these boards.  What's the point in participating on a forum if your posts are going to be either edited or deleted every other day?  It appears that the concept of moderation has been lost on the moderators.

You boys have fun powertripping by yourselves... cya.
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Akshara~rb
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Posted: Wednesday, Nov. 5, 2003 05:26 pm
Ok, this is my last post about this subject, and probably on these boards for awhile.  It's going to get deleted anyway, so I might as well say it...

Unkorn deleted the thread that had posted an email from a Raven rep stating that the patch was being developed and would hopefully be released around the New Year.  This action was inexcusable, and not appropriate admin/moderator behaviour.  Sure... delete all the other stuff; but this is an important subject to many people, and important information on these forums.

The person in question, regardless of their tactics, did hold the distinguished position of being the only person to pursue the subject of the patch to such an extent that he received several replies from Raven reps.  In his last posting this morning, not only was he cool about it, but he respected the Raven rep by not posting their name when he very well could have.

The other threads happened because the thread in question got locked while he was posting the actual note, and he received a ban warning.  This action of course antagonized the situation... it would be ridiculous to not expect it to.

Unikorn keeps saying that posting requests or complaints about the patch or SDK are both pointless and useless.  So then what's the point of editing up a very opinionated and well mannered discussion/debate of possible bugs and gameplay opinons, and then turning it into an official 'sticky' thread?  There are ton of these type of threads on the board... why does this one get special treatment.  And several of those "bugs" aren't even bugs, and nobody can disagree or voice a counter opinon without having their post either edited or deleted.

So regardless of the community debate, now Unikorn decides what's really an official bug request and what isn't... that's not a public forum.  That's moderation gone bad and taken to the level of power tripping.

For example... the "Last force dot not saving when using all points available" issue is not really an actual bug, but is a development decision on how that aspect responds - which I for one and several others actually prefer since it helps us keep track of our force allocation when moving between servers.  Many would never even check their profile if it wasn't for this supposed bug... so it's a subjective issue, not a real bug.  Yet, Unikorn disagrees so it now stays in the list regardless of whether the community disagrees or not.  This is not appropriate and impartial action.
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UniKorn~rb
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Posted: Wednesday, Nov. 5, 2003 05:30 pm
Post were not deleted by me but by someone else in higher rank. The email sent as proof was a fake. I don't like to see you go Akshara since your posts actually were a contribution to this forum, in contrast to those that were removed.

We are not on a powertrip here, but at Raven they are tired of the bashing that is going on while they cannot give you the information. I'm merely trying to make that very clear to everyone. 10 posts on when the patch will be arriving is just too much, and clutters the forums. I sincerely hope you reconsider.
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Akshara~rb
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Posted: Wednesday, Nov. 5, 2003 05:42 pm
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The email sent as proof was a fake.


Is this really true?  He actually came here specifically to post a fake email?  Pardon my doubt, but that does seem a little extreme to me, even for the person in question.  If this is the case however, those of us at Lucasforums would like to know about it as well.

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I sincerely hope you reconsider.

I appreciate your comments... thank you.  However, I am strongly against the censorship of public opinon in an open forum.  Now I understand that certain elements need to be contained on a forum that's controlled by a commercial establishment... I have to deal with that myself daily.  Yet one has to be careful in approaching that type of action, because to censor the voices of an honest and true segment of a company's customer base is simply not appropriate action.

Raven has the right to do whatever they feel... but whoever is doing the editing around here needs to be careful.  As a wise humanoid once said...

"Once down the dark path you go, forever will it dominate your destiny."
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WadeV~rb
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Category: Jedi Knight - Jedi Academy
Posted: Wednesday, Nov. 5, 2003 05:51 pm
"Is this really true?  He actually came here specifically to post a fake email?" - I'm quite happy to believe that, if he's willing to spam after being told not to, capitalise words pointlessly, insult people, thread hijack among others, this would surprise you?

Free speech is still far from perfect, don't ever be fooled anywhere has free speech...it doesn't. If it did we wouldn't have moderators period. And I stand by the moderators on this, because so many threads have been started and so many posts. It's got to the point where it was a page of the same old stuff over and over. It had to stop and it has been stopped.

And the last point bug, it is a bug, if you set anything in game and it changes without informing you, then it's a bug. The exception would be if it is stated in the manual that it is supposed to behave like that - I'll leave that up to you to look into as I'm willing to bet it isn't mentioned.
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Akshara~rb
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Posted: Wednesday, Nov. 5, 2003 06:06 pm
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I'm quite happy to believe that

Well it's not a matter of belief... it's either a real email or it isn't.  Fwiw, over on Lucasforums the person in question is very lucidly and respectfully suggesting that the email is not a fake - and quite frankly his tone doesn't lead one to believe that he's simply trying to fan flames.  His original post this morning before he got upset didn't either.

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The exception would be if it is stated in the manual that it is supposed to behave like that

Again, this is a subjective opinion and not a corroborated fact by Raven.  I simply don't agree that issue is a bug.  However, the point being that no one person has the right to speak for the entire community here.  Removing any serious debate or counter-opinion on a subject simply distorts the material as if through a warped lens.  Unikorn stated that the thread was to be "kept clean"... well having this issue listed in there without any appropriate counter repsonse is not "keeping it clean" - it's biased to one side of the debate - your side.

However, I said I was done discussing this and I am.  If you want to discuss this further, come over to Lucasforums.  G'day boys.. the Matrix has you.
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BaD_HeX~rb
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Category: Jedi Knight - Jedi Academy
Posted: Wednesday, Nov. 5, 2003 06:22 pm
Interesting look at the 1 point not saving bug.  But if in fact it is this way so people have to check their force powers out, then why even have it save your old force configs at all?  From a programmers standpoint it just seems like a bad for loop in my eyes..  Here is what they do in jk2 (has the exact same bug)  Doesn't seem like they want the last point to be gone for no reason.  I believe it has something to do with the check to see if they have enough points in the for loop.

Code Sample

for (curpower=0;curpower<NUM_FORCE_POWERS;curpower++)
{ // Make sure that our ranks are within legal limits.
if (uiForcePowersRank[curpower]<0)
uiForcePowersRank[curpower]=0;
else if (uiForcePowersRank[curpower]>=NUM_FORCE_POWER_LEVELS)
uiForcePowersRank[curpower]=(NUM_FORCE_POWER_LEVELS-1);

for (currank=FORCE_LEVEL_1;currank<=uiForcePowersRank[curpower];currank++)
{ // Check on this force power
if (uiForcePowersRank[curpower]>0)
{ // Do not charge the player for the one freebie in jump, or if there is one in saber.
if  ( (curpower == FP_LEVITATION && currank == FORCE_LEVEL_1) ||
(curpower == FP_SABERATTACK && currank == FORCE_LEVEL_1 && ui_freeSaber.integer) ||
(curpower == FP_SABERDEFEND && currank == FORCE_LEVEL_1 && ui_freeSaber.integer) )
{
// Do nothing (written this way for clarity)
}
else
{ // Check if we can accrue the cost of this power.
if (bgForcePowerCost[curpower][currank] > uiForceAvailable)
{ // We can't afford this power.  Break to the next one.
// Remove this power from the player's roster.
uiForcePowersRank[curpower] = currank-1;
break;
}
else
{ // Sure we can afford it.
uiForceUsed += bgForcePowerCost[curpower][currank];
uiForceAvailable -= bgForcePowerCost[curpower][currank];
}
}
}
}
}
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Panic~rb
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Posted: Wednesday, Nov. 5, 2003 06:59 pm
Quote (UniKorn @ Nov. 05 2003, 11:30 am)
The email sent as proof was a fake.

You should have stated that from the beginning instead of just closing the thread, banning the author, and the deleting it. Somehow you managed to lose all your credibility.
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rickmus~rb
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Category: Jedi Knight - Jedi Academy
Posted: Wednesday, Nov. 5, 2003 07:06 pm
I deleted the thread as it contained rumors and speculations, as well as it didn't offer anything that hasn't been said before.

That post claiming it was an email from someone from Raven was a fake.  I verified it with those in the know, and the info in that email is not accurate.
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rickmus~rb
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Posted: Wednesday, Nov. 5, 2003 07:08 pm
Quote (Panic @ Nov. 05 2003, 12:59 pm)
Quote (UniKorn @ Nov. 05 2003, 11:30 am)
The email sent as proof was a fake.

You should have stated that from the beginning instead of just closing the thread, banning the author, and the deleting it. Somehow you managed to lose all your credibility.

The post was from a user who just comes on this board to complain about raven and to offer nothing but negative emotions.  I had warned this forum that this action was no longer tolerated, plus also posting a forgery of an email claiming it was real put it over the edge.
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