I am going to write an artical on noobie weapons for sof2resouces.com. I personally do not believe in noobie weapons, I think they all have their strenghts an weaknesses. However, I need to not be biased in my article so I would like all you people who call the M4, USAS, M590, or whatever else noobie weapons, to please express your reason why. Please use logic and be civilized, state your point, don't insult people...

Example: "I think the M4 is a noob weapon because....blah blah blah"

All I need is arguments by the complainers, I have more then enough info on why they are NOT noob weapons...

Admins, if this turns into a spam war I won't be mad if you lock the topic, I know i'm asking for it, but I must research!
Feel free to email me stuff you wanna say, spoonraker@hotmail.com

<holds up a spoon> There are no noob weapons... only noobs who claim there are noob weapons <puts down spoon>

Ark

I agree 100%, but I still need to address the points of the people that don't...

Someone has to have a logical explanation as to why the M4 USAS and M590 are called noob weapons, cause for the life of me I have no idea why...

You ask the impossible....."logical arguments" and "noob weapons" cannot coexist

n00b weapon - any weapon that can grant consistant single shot kills

What falls into this category?
The MM1 & RPG-7.
The M203 is n00b'ish, but not totally, since it isn't that easy to aim up and time the shot right. MM1 & RPG-7 are pretty much fire and forget weapons - hence being OFF by default.

You ask the impossible....."logical arguments" and "noob weapons" cannot coexist
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I agree once again....

And I'm not counting the MM1 and RPG cause they are disabled by default.

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Normally when someone says something about noob weapons there is like 7 pages of replies of people saying why noob weapons are...noob weapons. So what's wrong people, can nobody think of a logical argument as to why M4 USAS and M590 are noob weapons? Come one...where's XMC he always has lengthy explanations about noob weapons....

I'm here... I just felt like leaving this alone. But if you insist.

I don't think any weapons are "noob weapons" and I don't like the term "noob" in any context. But there are weapons that I feel are unbalanced and ruin gameplay. Like slowJusko said, the MM1 and RPG7 are obvious canidates, which is why they are disabled by default.

I don't like the shotguns in this game, as I've said before I think they are random crap and hurt gameplay. Don't believe me? Read the source code and check out how the shotguns are handled. There is no overall inaccuracy for the whole spread, each indevidual pellet goes off in it's own direction. Plus slowJusko has mentioned before that they don't use per-pixel hit detection. To me that is random and crap. I dislike the artificial range limit. What happens, do the pellets vanish into thin air after 100 feet?

I don't like being killed by the M203, but it does belong in the game. I just wish it had delayed arming, and took longer to move your hand to the second trigger.

-xmc

Like the others have said, there are no n00b weapons. But the easiest gun to use is actually the ak 74, which most ppl think of as the noblest and most 1337 gun. The "n00b" m4 and m203 are actually more difficult to master, and with the also "n00b" usas-12 you have to keep in close combat and out of wide areas, so that too requieres more brain activity and tactics than the ak 74. So in fact the ak 74 is the easiest gun to learn for newbies.  

I have to agree with the above 2 comments.

The n-term only seems to be used by ppl who die from a weapon they dislike - the result - that weapon did the job.

As I have said in many threads, all weapons are legal, and used in the correct context and supported by other weapons, each is excellent.

Indeed, the AK is the easiest to master. I prefer the M4 - I believe its more accurate, but just less firepower.

If anyone thinks that a weapon is n##b, or that the player is - my answer - "Go and play in a server where that weapon is not allowed".

It would be sad to see a server where only the AK is allowed. Boring mostly. I like having a choice. Ppl who don't like it also have a choice - another server.

Ok after all that the only case that there is for not liking any of the weapons if because shotguns are scattershot?

That's not even a valid argument, we all know shotguns are random and scattershot, ITS A SHOTGUN ITS SUPPOSED TO FIRE PELLETS. And they are not completely random, it's not like the pellets come out at a 90 degree angle, they go for the most part where your crosshair is. I don't even need to argue that point...