I hope this is taken as intended and read by and responded by ADULTS.

 I am very close to trashing one of my favorite hobbies..Online gaming.  I am finding it less and less enjoyable to play with others out in the cyberworld because of the HORRIBLE attitudes and cheating going on.   Sign on to 90% of the servers out here these days and inspite of all of the Gamemakers efforts (and maybe because of giving too much control to us) You cannot play a game without running into a cheater.  God forbid you ask "How do you get your guy to be able to take those 4 hits from my shotgun fron 1 foot away without dieing?" and you will find out just HOW MANY people on that server are cheating, all you have to do is count how many people jump you in the next 2 seconds and say the EVER present " YOU SUCK"  Now we all have seen the cheats..we all know where to DL them  but it is a sad testimony that we all think the rest of us are stupid enough not to recognise a aimbot or armor cheat or the ever popular keybind dance of death we see as we fire center mass with 30 rounds and get 0 hits and die.  Funny when I run my server with some of you out there we all do soo well and our weapons work and we die but get into the net and its clans and we start shooting spitwads and die from pistols shot from 300 yds while the guy is jumping from side to side and dancing.  I have come to the end of admins that you catch cheating ..figure out a way to kill them  LOL and then they ban you.  Maybe I am getting old and grouchy but I was taught ..pratice ..get skills ..WIN FAIR  It seems that is lost these days and CHEAT LIE and DENY is the new way.  For those of you who Honorably play this game  I think you are Great and I love getting killed by and learning from you.  To the rest of you  with your attitudes you will ALWAYS have to work for people like us because you don't know how to get ahead through hard work.

Here! Here! DEATH TO CHEATERS!
*starts chanting over and over with a pitchfork in one hand and a flaming torch in the other.

I may be wrong..... But the majority of folks playing this game will surprise you with their maturity.

Having a year of experinces serving a halflife mod I can not tell you the pleasure I get from having a ban list of less than 10 with 7 months of SOF2 server logs to look at...
This group is way more mature than you might give them credit for.

lazz
thefunnyfarm.net
serving the fine SOF2 mod Mandown @130.13.82.5:20200

if you are having trouble finding a decent server, try out some of the better clan pub sites.  They are usually more mature then the quakesh1t servers and other pub non clan servers

quit, big loss to me

If you are new, some quirks of the game may make you think cheating is going on.  I play with anywhere from 100-150 ping, and I still sometimes get nicked by bullets when I have already turned the corner and should have been out of sight;  Sometimes when you think you've gotten four hits with the shotty, you've really gotten four near-misses instead.  And sometimes when I think I've got the drop on someone and pulled the trigger first, I am the first to die because they pulled at the same time but had a better ping.  I can accept these, because the net has it's limitations.

I've never cheated, nor contemplated cheating (I for one do NOT know where to DL them - why do you?), but I consider it a compliment when accused of having an "armor cheat"; it just tells me that my cover and evasive skills are getting good.  On the other hand, it bums me out to think that the community is so paranoid that having skill at this game makes people question your character.

Not to say that you haven't run into more cheaters than me, but your online style can be adjusted to make it possible to avoid them.  Play on a few select servers you know, servers that keep admins around and have active ban lists.  I have been playing SOF2 since the demo, and rarely have I encountered a cheater (maybe once).  I've kicked ass, and had my own handed to me, but I've always managed to have fun.

I hope you stick with it - the first time someone accuses you of cheating when it is pure skill will perhaps change your point of view a little bit.

Drona I appreciate your input ..maybe I was not clear but ..I have been gaming for many years and am well aware of ping issues..I have a very high speed connection and rarely play in rooms where my ping is higer than 30-50...the obvious misses I speak of ..that MANY of us have daily are when you SNEAK up behind someone and unload on them and they turn slowly and kill you with one shot.  So No I am NOT new to this and Yes in a clean room I will be in the top 1-5 scores and in case you didn't know it ..if you are the admin for the room you can pull the console and SEE the cheats. FYI  This is not some rookie who hates to lose..we all lose..it is an issue of the cheats..if you doubt they exist just ask Ravensoft  MOHAA fixed most of the same issues  with their game now Ravensoft is dealing with it.

Col_Nasty-----Why don't you roll by the Apotheosis server. We have a lot of fun great ping if you are in the US. We had someone from Holland today and they were pinging 150-170. I think that is #### good for the other side of the map. You won't find any cheaters on our server at least that I know of. Bring the game. Location is in the signature. Open invitation for everyone else as well.

Zeus

Cheats are annoying and destroys gameplay, no doubt. But the worst part is the suspicion of cheating that came along with the cheats.

I have played the game for roughly 1.5 months and I have managed to reach maybe 100 Hours online hours with SOF2.
But quite frankly I have not seen any solid proof of cheating yet. I play on diffrent servers all the time, punkbuster enabled of course, and I have to say that I dont see these things that you speak of. Of course, strange things happens, someone shoots me in the head with a pistol from very long range....strange I think...but 10 minutes later ..I do the same thing. Strange things happens.

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I have a very high speed connection and rarely play in rooms where my ping is higer than 30-50...the obvious misses I speak of ..that MANY of us have daily are when you SNEAK up behind someone and unload on them and they turn slowly and kill you with one shot.

I am far from an expert, but is such a cheat even possible ? I mean, Is it not the server that keeps track of how much health you have left and how many bullets that hits you and so on......hhm...maybe not, I don't know.

I understand your frustration, as I have seen clear and obvious cheats in other games, but not really in SOF2 so far.

I must be a total NOOB because I haven't seen these cheats. When I shoot at someone a couple of times and don't hit them, even if point blank, I think I missed. If I sneak up on someone I usually knife them anyway and that has always killed them unless they caught me sneaking up on them. I am sure there are cheats out there, but why let it bother you? All it is going to do is make you a better player if you adapt to it.

Zeus