personnaly i think if they'd add a scope to it, u could actually snipe ppl with it, it verry abstract that u can kill ppl with full live from a rater far distance and actually kill him, i can imagne that a shotty hits even from quite a distance but that the damage is still much?, alot of pppl i know agree with me, in fact i dont know ppl that dont (maybe now will happen :P )
but there serieusly someting wrong with the range and the damge it does at that range, in pra2 once i had the flag beeing blue, took the long street with the 2 trucks there and a guy actually shot me from the first truck beeing in air with shotty while i was at corner of street with 1/4 life left, and it wasnt a headshot, i get so enoyed by that gun, i love it and use it myself but the range and damage is pritty mesed up ( lol i keep saying this )

think allot ppl will agree ( sorry if such a post is alreaddy made i only took a fast look at topic names )

so plz change that in a ( other ) new patch, the range is ok, just not always hit and if hit not SO much damage

.... thats all

this discussion has been ongoing in raven forums for awhile., i think there are a few survers out there that run the realistic mod or whatever its called. spec ops maybe.,

can anyone help me out here.

its funny how so many ppl complain about the usas, when the pump shotty is more deadly and just as no0bed.  u can't get any more no0bed then using the ak along with the pump shotty.  so with that combo, u have the ak(the most powerful weapon by far), the pump shotty and grenades.  the latter two are complete spam weapons.

most ppl pick that combo, so what u got is about two thrids of this game being basically spam.  zzzzz

i mean, its not as bad as default MOH(with 6 grenades and an even no0bier overpowered shotgun, but its pretty darn lame, and i think this is why most the ppl playing this game are rather new to first person shooters...

were talking about the pump man.,

yeah the guns are strong but i tell you what., i do just as good with my mp5 , uzi combo, but then again i gots skillz.

and frag nades arent spam , it depends on whose holding them. the take skill to use and if you goof your probably gonna explode. well nevermind that most noobs would chuck a nade into a group of thier teammates before they took the hit themselves. i hate that btw ill be holding a nade and the guy behind me can see it plain as day yet he keeps on running and i have to turn and throw the nade into a corner. damnit

Yeah I use my MP5 and M3A1 combo more often then not and I do quite well, the key to killing shotty users is shoot first and aim well

yep, shotty is just fine as it is, and should not be tampered with. It's easy to take out a shottybunny with ak or m4 if you just keep your distance. But in close quarters, always go for shotty.  

He's probably just as good at typing as at shooting.... that's why he complains.

This arguement is stupid. The only time I've ever seen someone die from a shotgun from "long range" was when they had a sliver of health. When you're that low, it only takes one pellet to kill you.

actually u can kill someone from a great distance when they have 1/4-1/2 health...

grenades are spam in this game on many maps.  for instance...finca....chances are if u don't hold back and wait for a while u will get spammed with a grenade.  tis a fact jack...