DOA,

I find it funny you somehow got your hands on a wall hack..why would you even try finding one?? I'd bet you used it, too..not that it would help, those wall-hack screens you posted look horrible..the guys looks like white blobs, can't see how that would help @ all

The biggest cause of false accusations of cheating: Ego.
There I said it, people are desperate to believe that they are the top of the world. Particularly in a hobby where the average age of players is fairly young. Someone takes them out with minimal effort? Someone predicts their rushes nearly every time? Must be a wallhack/bot, nobody could possibly be better than me!
End of Rant. That having been said, I've seen a demo of one guy I was convinced beyond doubt was wallhacking, but in 4 years of online fps'ing I could count on one hand the number of users I was dead sure 100% were using cheats. I hear "you're cheating" several times a day however, and I dont mean aimed necessarilly at me.

Food for thought.

If you think there aren't a substantial number of people cheating on-line, you're not paying attention (and you've never adminned a popular server.)

 While Q3 has fewer cheaters than CS by an order of magnitude, they're out there.  And this 'new' cheat (which sounds like a port of the OGC CS cheat) has already showed up on our Urban Terror server, resulting in several recent bans.

 Here's hoping that a combination of Raven diligence and Q3 resistence will let you Pollyannas keep your "there are no cheaters because I don't see them!" worldview intact.

 - g

Some forum topics paint a real microcosm of how we deal with sticky social issues.  Personally, I wouldn't trade off any more freedoms or dignity for the good of any community. So, count me out on banning people that might be cheating.  I think that is worse than not catching the cheaters.

By the way, I think there are plenty of people cheating out there.  Some are more sophisticated at it than others.  If you have played all of the top fps games over the years you get a real sense of how games ebb and flow.  Watching a skilled person attack you in an open area is like watching a good athlete on the field... you just know good when you see it.    Cheaters are always too cute.  A really skilled player is proud of their skill and would shun a cheat... being caught would ruin their ego.  There are always exceptions....

In SOF2 watch how somebody moves when facing off an enemy.... How they fire.  You can tell who should have the points.

I think well monitored servers is a good step.  Punkbuster is not bad but I do not think it is the only solution.  Something must be done.  People will simply stop playing. SOF2 is not an easy game.  I have seen quite a few people go through long rounds  of CTF, with short respawning, having little or no kills.  Explosive cheating can make a mockery of this difficult shooter real quick.

It is out there now.  I suggest admins  crunch 'em as best they can and the rest of us say a little prayer for our favorite fps shooter.

eRaSeR

Well the reason i downloaded it so i could send it to raven so they could patch it so watch your mouth you retarÐ!!!!!!!!!

I see that was your first post good post to come in here and
start sayin crap about people iÐiot!!!!

In my opinion it es wrong to ban cheaters from the multiplayer-game forever.

But it should be possible to add a "Known As Cheater hint"
in the playlist  (NAC; in red letters!.

So the people on the server should judge by themselves if they want to play with this "known cheater" or kick him due voting.


As mentioned before a "witchhunt" is #### - So it is
on Ravensoft to bring on a patch which is able to dectect if a cheat is used - and than report this "cheater"
to the masterserver.

From this time on it won't be fun playing as "known cheater"
with high scores .

After the first wave of "NAC"s in the scoreboard one will
think twice before using a cheat

There probably is no real answer to cheating. Everyone has their own ideas on how to handle cheaters, and no one is totally right or wrong. I don't need cheaters, since I am easy enough the way it is, if you need an aim bot to shoot me, then one would have to really bad, of course their use is for good players not me.  
Will there ever be a time where there are no cheaters?? NO... just like there will never be a program that won't be hacked, someone will always hack the code.  
The best we can really hope for is coding in the game to help prevent hacks as much as possible, and admins that can judge well.  If someone really wants to hack a game and get some ranking somewhere so he/she looks good, its going to happen.  The problem will always be how to prove it.  Servers have the right to ban whoever they please, no reason needed, they pay the cost to run it and can ban for any reason.  Lets hope there are not enough hacks where servers start banning anyone that is good, there are enough games now where a good player will get a vote called to kick them out(voting another problem:) ).....
I have really stated nothing new or helpfull  to this message thread, but I can't help but write now and then, since in the game I never have time to type too many messages.  
Last night my son was playing cs and someone kept talking and laughing the whole time in this one game. I want a RW feature so bad, then I hear that and think, maybe not...  but like everything else, if we try and stop everything and everyone we think is wrong, there would be no one left to play.  
I enjoy playing in SOFII and have a good respect for about 99% of the players, and I want to keep it that way.  Its an issue that has to be dealt with, but in a non-emotional way, thats the hard part!