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Author Topic: BO2 PC Details. No Dedicated Servers or Mod Tools
StrYdeR
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Posted: Sunday, Sep. 30, 2012 08:18 am
Let us all please keep civil; stop thinly disguising insults, and keep this topic somewhat on track.

While I am sure everyone enjoys reading these soap operas - they really are what began to drive wedges into the CoD mapping and modding community - and may (in some way) have led to (for the current CoD series anyways) game moddings slow demise.

There are sites - like www.modsonline.com - as well as others - that really are trying to hold the fractured community together - and it seems there are others who are always trying to tear it down. All of these communities are disappointed in the corporate direction that it seems that all recent titles are embracing - and that is of paid DLC - however, as much as we don't like it - a corporation is designed to make money. Releasing mod tools takes away the captive audience they have that will hungrily purchase DLC because they are absolutely tired of playing the same old maps in mp.

We should have seen this coming - and many of us did, but did not want to admit...or accept, that a corporate revenue stream was going to trump the gaming audience, the gaming consumer... BUT IT DID!

You can pee-pee. You can moan. Or - you can move on. Many have done the latter.

[angryalien]
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Tally
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Posted: Sunday, Sep. 30, 2012 08:47 am
StrYdeR writes...
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Let us all please keep civil; stop thinly disguising insults, and keep this topic somewhat on track.

While I am sure everyone enjoys reading these soap operas - they really are what began to drive wedges into the CoD mapping and modding community - and may (in some way) have led to (for the current CoD series anyways) game moddings slow demise.

There are sites - like www.modsonline.com - as well as others - that really are trying to hold the fractured community together - and it seems there are others who are always trying to tear it down. All of these communities are disappointed in the corporate direction that it seems that all recent titles are embracing - and that is of paid DLC - however, as much as we don't like it - a corporation is designed to make money. Releasing mod tools takes away the captive audience they have that will hungrily purchase DLC because they are absolutely tired of playing the same old maps in mp.

We should have seen this coming - and many of us did, but did not want to admit...or accept, that a corporate revenue stream was going to trump the gaming audience, the gaming consumer... BUT IT DID!

You can pee-pee. You can moan. Or - you can move on. Many have done the latter.

[angryalien]


That DLC is to blame for the demise of mod tools is an argument that is bandied about forums by people that don't seem to understand that DLC has nothing to do with it. You cannot run custom content on a ranked server. And because you can't, it isn't a so-called threat to DLC because the developers and publishers know how strong the appeal of ranked status is.

MW3 taught us how strong the appeal of ranked status is - even though there were dedicated servers, because they were unranked, no one was interested in them. Players would rather put up with lag on IWNet than switch to dedicated servers because they were unranked. What chance has free custom content against the appeal of ranked status? None at all. And the publishers know it.

We even saw this in COD4 and WaW: even though we had custom content, very very few players were interested in it. It was a nightmare trying to drum up interest in our hard work. Even the developers of mods like the Star Wars mod admitted that the Star Wars servers sat empty. Why? It was all free. Why were they not interested? Answer is simple: because they ran on unranked servers. Players were not willing to give up their ranked status for them.

So, sorry, but the argument is lame. It just doesn't fly up the flagpole. Free mods and maps are not enough to break players away from the appeal of ranked status. And as such, they pose no threat to DLC. The only time DLC would be threatened by custom content is when custom content can be run on a ranked server.

Treyarch have said why there are no longer mod and mapping tools - the tools have developed to such a point that it is impossible to make them stand-alone. I saw a developer from Treyarch explaining that the dev tools to make BO2 used 3rd party tools which are under exclusive license. These simply cannot be released to the public due to the licensing restrictions. It is as simple as that. There is no reason to go hunting for invalid arguments and blame it on DLC. Money has nothing, or very little, to do with it.
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zeroy
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Posted: Sunday, Sep. 30, 2012 09:25 am
StrYdeR writes...
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There are sites - like www.modsonline.com - as well as others - that really are trying to hold the fractured community together - and it seems there are others who are always trying to tear it down.


Too right Stryder, passion drives us to be vocal I think [mad]
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{GITS}TheCleaner
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Posted: Sunday, Sep. 30, 2012 09:33 am
Good post StrYdeR [wink]

I think one of the main things people are talking about is that we will not be able to rent our own servers, we will have no control of any servers [rolleyes]

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Tally
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Posted: Sunday, Sep. 30, 2012 09:50 am
StrYdeR writes...
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There are sites - like www.modsonline.com - as well as others - that really are trying to hold the fractured community together - and it seems there are others who are always trying to tear it down.


I hope you aren't including me in the "others that are trying to tear it down". No one has been as hard working as I am in trying to build this COD modding community over the last 9 years. I don't ask for the no-marks to come here with their pathetic little jibes all the time, always trying to get into a p*issing contest with me. Who among them has worked so hard they made it into BashandSlash's COD Hall of Fame as "Community Builder"? Most of these others have only been around for 5 mintues. I've been here since day 1. Building away.

I'm on this particular site always trying to help the modders and mappers. Where are these others when the users of this site need help? Probably too busy trying to put feathers in their hats to care. I try to get on as often as free time allows. These others only show up when the drama hits the fan.

If I am included in that remark, then I bide you farewell modsonline. No point working so hard if all it does is get turned down. I will ask you to delete my account, as I wont be back, and I don't want my details on a site that doesn't appreciate me.
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VeeTee
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Posted: Sunday, Sep. 30, 2012 01:11 pm
zeroy writes...
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VeeTee writes...
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DrUmBuM writes...
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[eek]

Man I love this community!


This isn't a community... I remember what modding sites used to be, now it's all disgruntled individuals that can't change with the times.


Its going to be tough talking modding about BO2 somehow. Modding = need modtools.

Anyway, I'm really lost at times with you guys - from the modding community now in ATVI Studios - Why do you even bother coming to insult the very sites and people that helped you in the past? We know where you work now, we don't expect you to say anything but nice things about your game, hey I am in the same boat, it pays the bills right? Why not trying to promote the game you are working on instead? Tell us how great it is and why we should buy it, I would much prefer that!!

How hard is it to understand that some people have/had a genuine passion for COD and are "disgruntled" about the latest development of their favourite franchise? For me, not hard at all - it doesn't mean I wont congratulate my friends working in Treyarch for releasing BO2 - the decisions regarding servers or tools are hardly theirs .....

Many will end up buying the game - I personally left the old mod-tools argument for COD a while back and so I'll enjoy the game for what it is - MP doesn't look exactly my cup of tea but SP and Zombies are looking attractive...


I'm actually glad to see you optimistic about this.

As far as our next game, I can't say really... anything. But I can say most, if not all of us at one particular studio play on PC, and we would love to see the PC be a huge platform again.

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Ray
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Posted: Sunday, Sep. 30, 2012 01:36 pm
Jake we are all PC players and despite what you can and cant say all any of us want is a PC game that we can really play. Put aside our wishes for the modtools etc, none of us can see the intelligence behind taking away the sorta dedicated servers that we had for BO. At least we, server admins, had a semblance of control over the players in our server which we paid good money for. It didnt matter what the style the server set it was enough for us to have that right and choice which we were paying for.

I dont have any more real problem with this game than I did with any of the other because I could still choose to not buy it if I didnt like what was being offered. Mappers United was thinking about trying it and I was willing to put the server up. That wont happen now for the obvious reasons.

At the end of the day all that we, as PC gamers, want is a game that we can play our way. We use to be able to but now we cannot. BO2 = Pass

We would all love to see Call of Duty return to being a big PC platform again. Hard to see that at this time.

edited on Sep. 30, 2012 01:38 pm by Ray
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zeroy
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Posted: Sunday, Sep. 30, 2012 01:37 pm
VeeTee writes...
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we would love to see the PC be a huge platform again.


Dont we all ... Time will tell. COD has always been great for SP, I will continue to get it for this alone ...
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IWRevolver
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Posted: Sunday, Sep. 30, 2012 01:50 pm
I think we all need to hug it out- No one should be getting personal or bringing our jobs into this. We dont post advertisements for the game and brag about it because thats just lame- we are all still members of the community and our posts and opinions should be taken with a grain of salt.

Im more upset with the amount of time, and the amount of talent, we have been wasting lately with all the speculations! Think of all the awesome kick ass maps we could all make together if we put our minds together and all the petty website wars and opinions to rest! KEEP MODDING!! whooaa!!

WHY CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!!

[moon]
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zeroy
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Posted: Sunday, Sep. 30, 2012 02:06 pm
DrUmBuM writes...
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WHY CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!!
[moon]


Because we are humans - we are destined to argue i guess [tongue]

I hear you guys. By the way, there is nothing lame is promoting the game you are working for, in the contrary.
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