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Author Topic: Where is the D3DBSP?
paulix90
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Posted: Monday, Jan. 30, 2012 01:34 pm
AFirstTImeMapMaker writes...
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SparkyMcSparks writes...
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I do not know who created this map, so I don't have anyone to ask, so I will be using my techniques to get a .map file.



You are so incredibly stupid. Everybody can steal cars? They don't have to ask permission to borrow it because they don't know the owner of the car? Go away of this forum. We do not support any of illigal things like stealing other map files.
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AFirstTImeMapMaker
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Posted: Monday, Jan. 30, 2012 03:49 pm
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You are so incredibly stupid. Everybody can steal cars? They don't have to ask permission to borrow it because they don't know the owner of the car? Go away of this forum. We do not support any of illigal things like stealing other map files.


No, that would be stealing.

Look at it this way.

I paid for Black Ops
I downloaded the tools because I bought the game, so I technically paid for access to the tools
They included the d3dbsp file in the tools
They took it out
I want it back.

How i'm I stealing if I paid for it, I can go right now and attempt to see if I get the d3dbsp file out of the fast files in Black Ops, by law, I can do this, its called "Fair Use", I would be using it under "Research"

If I manage to recreate the map (after months of hard work in radiant), I would release the map to the public so they can edit it.

I love mapping, I love recreating maps, I love Treyarch maps, they are very beautiful. I am that type of person who loves to see how these maps are made. I am also a perfectionist, that's why I rarely like recreating maps by using pictures, I want to get the map file and recreate from that way, so I can make the map the same like it is in the game.

Even the tiniest things in a recreated map can change the whole flow of the map and make it not even feel like the original map. This is one thing I want to avoid, I want it to feel like it is in the original map.

So, I am not stealing, cause I am getting no personal gain from it. The ones who will be benefiting from the maps would be the people who play them and as a extra bonus I would include the .map file so people can see how I create my maps or in a sense, how Treyarch created there maps.

I do understand where you are coming from, I wouldn't release the decompiled d3dbsp .map file, I would recreate the .map file after months of hard work, and then I would release it.


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VeeTee
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Posted: Monday, Jan. 30, 2012 04:09 pm
When you installed Black Ops you agreed to a terms of use/eula etc. In this agreement you agreed that you will not decompile the game in any way, shape, or form.

That's my two cents, by all means I would contact ATVI legal to see what they say.
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AFirstTImeMapMaker
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Posted: Monday, Jan. 30, 2012 04:24 pm
VeeTee writes...
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When you installed Black Ops you agreed to a terms of use/eula etc. In this agreement you agreed that you will not decompile the game in any way, shape, or form.

That's my two cents, by all means I would contact ATVI legal to see what they say.


I will try and get in contact with them.

But legally, I can decompile the maps, I would be safe under Fair Use, cause I would be using it for research.

We need to understand here that I would be making no profit off the decompiled map(s).

Anyways, why is people complaining? Activision did nothing to the people decompiling COD1/COD2 maps, and those people greatly stimulated the pc mapping community, there are now tons of COD1/2 maps in W@W and COD4 because of it.

We need to realize that decompiled maps are great resources for people like me who want to recreate the maps and try to make a 1 and 1 copy.

I can definitely post you some W@W maps that were recreated using decompiled map sources?

Like I said before, I consider decompiled maps a vital resource to the mapping community and it is helpful to many new mappers and advanced mappers.
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Welshy
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Posted: Monday, Jan. 30, 2012 04:47 pm
There have been countless discussions about this topic on this site over the last few years.

As far as I'm concerned, whether decompiling bsp is "technically" legal or not, which if you paid for the game and installed it means you signed the EULA, and are now actively breaking what is essentially a legal document...and admitting it...on a website...for all to see...smooth

For research?...maybe although everything is pretty well documented for older games either here or on other sites. For any other reason however, I'm against it. How would you like it if someone did that to your work?

Also just because you paid for a piece of software (in this case a video game) does not meant you own any of it. Most of us here use windows, I would assume quite a few paid for it, we still own 0% of that software.

How you class that as "fair use" I don't know. It's like stealing a car, then bringing it back and saying "I only wanted to see what it drove like"

On side note, people are complaining, because as mappers and modders, we know how much time and effort goes into making them and would hate it if someone just takes our work and reuses it.

Either way, whatever your opinion on the matter, this site will not and does not help users steal others work, case closed.

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Posted: Monday, Jan. 30, 2012 05:02 pm
Oh and by the way, you may want to read the EULA, that you agreed to by installing the game...you know that long list of words that nobody ever reads...

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YOU SHALL NOT:
  • Reverse engineer, derive source code, modify, decompile, disassemble, or create derivative works of this
    Program, in whole or in part.
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