Id like to just clarify that due to unforeseen events this map does not include anything that i worked on. Nor should i get credit in any part for this version of the map. The version that i did work on was not used. That is all.

I will clarify "unforseen events".

First, voidsource has been placing videos of the map on youtube before it had been released, without my permission, using his own name. When I told him to delete them, he refused. Then I told him that I had flagged the videos for using copyrighted material, after which voidsource replies, I quote:

16-9-2011 10:43:08 Invalid%20Acess Dave ;) Ok now prove to them your the original author

16-9-2011 10:54:32 Invalid%20Acess Dave ;) 1 vid take down doesn't mean anything I can redo the video not to mention it would be better. N u r a noob

That's where the second problem comes in, disrespecting me.

Third, I've had the feeling that voidsource tried to 'seize' the project for a longer time. As you can see (in this topic) voidsource was accepted into the project for "bug fixing". Voidsource has been changing so much stuff in the script that he subsequently demanded to receive credits for doing the script; all of the script. I quote:

-8-2011 10:06:33 invalidacess Dave ;) at the end ill do a black screen with the credits for u and me
29-8-2011 10:06:54 Dave ;) invalidacess what are you gonna put on that credit thing
29-8-2011 10:07:39 invalidacess Dave ;) well u did level desgin and story idea
29-8-2011 10:07:49 invalidacess Dave ;) i just did the scripting and advice u

Anyone that might be thinking of accepting help of voidsource on your project for "betatesting" or "bug fixing", know who you're dealing with. That is all.

lol wow just wow.....

u sure know how to make me look bad.

I wont even mention all the other stuff such as you not knowing how to listen to simple instructions or wanting me to fix everything that was wrong with your map. as far as the prove to them you are the original author. thats exactly what youtube asks you to do so i told u to do that. never did i say i wanted to take ur map and make it mines.




Yea i disrespected you but that comes after a long time of working with u and constant fails that happened on your part, such as me explaining to you how to fix something and how something works.Once that was explained ( for w/e reasons unknown to me ) you did not put it into practice and would come back to me with the same issue the next day; exact same issue that i had already explained in detail and took me almost all day to explain to you, which made me feel like i was wasting my time with you. Furthermore i gave u links and references sources such as the rgn, vid tutorials to explain other things, tutorials found here on modsonline and other sites, to go to and read....towards the end i would just tell you to search in the forums because i dont have time for it. Life happens and i have to work around my life but u dont even bother to understand that. You think life is just sitting in a computer all day modding or making games, well your wrong and u need to understand that.

Your map was done pretty much and all you had to do in the end was learn how to work the soundaliases file. You coulda had the better version if you woulda have waited but u didnt want to. In the end, your lack of patience is what just annoyed me. And the sound aliases file isnt that hard to work with,( which is all you needed to use to add the new sound files into your map with the new version ).

I never once seized anyones anything, theres a difference between giving you creative criticism and taking something that isnt mine and reworking it then claiming it as mines. Yes i did say to include me in the credits because i did work on it as well.....anyone working on anyone elses map should get credit.

I knew your intentions were to take sole credit bc you want to show this to a game developer which is fine but have the guts to let htem know hey i also had another guy help me in it...you dont have to tell them 90% of your script had to be polished, re written and things had to be reworked in radiant to make it run smoothly, bug free.

in the end i came here not talking any mess about ur map in my previous post. i just said that i did not work on that version.
the way i work, i expect greater things to make things look and feel better. Your whole map was still basically the same, just the scripting, sounds, and other stuff in it were creative suggestions to make it look better.

I wish u luck with you and your dreams of joining the industry.
as a friendly advice: " read, read, and put into practice " everything you can read up on relating to radiant and scripting because that is what one of the main things you refused to do when i was helping you out. If you take the time to read you will
understand things better and understand how to make a better map.


finally if an admin wants to lock this it will be fine by me.

Guys....sometimes it's best to work alone....

voidsource can be a little demanding at times but not like this. This is just crazy...

Here's what you do. Credit everyone. Don't need to specify who did what. I don't. Only some stuff, I point out who did what, but for the most part, I just list the names.

Voidsource is already gonna be my tester but I already know him. He has done tested for me before. I trust Voidsource again.

There's a missing link here, perhaps a miscommunication.

Guys, calm down and compromise.

Voidsource, all you are making is claims, and right now I'm just gonna beat you around using your own words: "I go by the evidence". I have chatlogs of things you have said. I have screenshots of you publishing copyrighted material. I can prove what I say. I'd be happy if you only say things here when you are able to back them up. Until then, you have published copyrighted material.

Now back off, or I send this message to your boss as well.

wow you are so funny. lol to my boss? the boy got jokes.

the reason i dont go into details is bc you are kid to me. you still got a lot of growing up. for example why doesnt the2nd part of the map load after your done with the first one? even after i explained to you that the very first time around u still didnt go back to fix that upon release. I even told u about zeroys site where it has the cod4 reference on how to swtich maps n get the 2nd one to load properly. You obviously dont want to read which is why i gave u that friendly advice.

Copyright issue?

All maps belong to the developers. I don't think there is copyright law between mappers. If you upload a vid of the map, then it's activision's property. Vid belongs to activision. You shouldn't claim it is copyrighted by you.

Can we get an admin to solve this. I don't like this.

Here are some nice logs of voidsource publishing copyrighted material:

16-8-2011 7:26:34 Invalid%20Acess Dave ;) making a tutorial
16-8-2011 7:26:36 Invalid%20Acess Dave ;) using ur map
16-8-2011 7:26:42 Invalid%20Acess Dave ;) cause it shows what i want to show
16-8-2011 7:26:50 Dave ;) Invalid%20Acess what?
16-8-2011 7:27:13 Dave ;) Invalid%20Acess youre not actually releasing part of it right?
16-8-2011 7:28:14 Invalid%20Acess Dave ;) no ur map is not being released
16-8-2011 7:28:19 Invalid%20Acess Dave ;) i said im makin ga video tutorial
16-8-2011 7:28:24 Invalid%20Acess Dave ;) i have to use part of ur map
16-8-2011 7:29:18 Invalid%20Acess Dave ;) in my video tutorial

There is no ''asking for permission''. Voidsource just approaches me and says ''im gonna need part of your map for a video tutorial''.

16-8-2011 17:17:39 Dave ;) Invalid%20Acess i need you to delete the gameplay video you put on youtube and put the tutorial to prive until the release
16-8-2011 17:21:34 Dave ;) Invalid%20Acess private*
16-8-2011 17:22:18 Invalid%20Acess Dave ;) tutorial vid is public
16-8-2011 17:22:34 Dave ;) Invalid%20Acess i need you to put it to private until release
16-8-2011 17:23:04 Invalid%20Acess Dave ;) ill get rid of th eother vide
16-8-2011 17:23:05 Invalid%20Acess Dave ;) for sound that i showed
16-8-2011 17:23:30 Dave ;) Invalid%20Acess ok
16-8-2011 17:24:15 Invalid%20Acess Dave ;) and nothing much isexposed
16-8-2011 17:25:05 Dave ;) Invalid%20Acess that can be, but it's my possession, and i dont want it leaked
16-8-2011 17:25:30 Invalid%20Acess Dave ;) i deleted it already
16-8-2011 17:25:41 Dave ;) Invalid%20Acess alright
16-8-2011 17:25:50 Invalid%20Acess Dave ;) theres nothing leaked about a 1.5 min video that shows how objectives were placed
16-8-2011 17:25:55 Invalid%20Acess Dave ;) i got rid of the other one
16-8-2011 17:26:25 Dave ;) Invalid%20Acess can you put the tutorial on private for now?
16-8-2011 17:27:11 Invalid%20Acess Dave ;) so its no longer up
16-8-2011 17:27:48 Invalid%20Acess Dave ;) y
16-8-2011 17:27:55 Dave ;) Invalid%20Acess i see that the gameplay footage is gone, but the tutorial isnt
16-8-2011 17:27:58 Invalid%20Acess Dave ;) it will ruin the tutorial
16-8-2011 17:28:05 Dave ;) Invalid%20Acess because the map is not released yet
16-8-2011 17:28:23 Invalid%20Acess Dave ;) its a 2part and the 2nd part explains
16-8-2011 17:28:26 Dave ;) Invalid%20Acess im ok with publishing it after the release, as a way of saying thanks to you for helping with it
16-8-2011 17:28:27 Invalid%20Acess Dave ;) dude this is not even exposing ur map that much
16-8-2011 17:28:45 Invalid%20Acess Dave ;) u cant see much of it

And here he refuses to take it down.

16-9-2011 10:22:45 Invalid%20Acess Dave ;) ugh ur such a noob

16-9-2011 10:22:48 Dave ;) Invalid%20Acess ok
16-9-2011 10:22:51 Dave ;) Invalid%20Acess im done with this
16-9-2011 10:23:03 Dave ;) Invalid%20Acess im flagging all your videos on youtube of my map
16-9-2011 10:23:16 Invalid%20Acess Dave ;) eh
16-9-2011 10:23:25 Invalid%20Acess Dave ;) afaik its just one vid
16-9-2011 10:23:35 Dave ;) Invalid%20Acess ill flag the tutorial too

16-9-2011 10:34:33 Dave ;) Invalid%20Acess flagged
16-9-2011 10:43:08 Invalid%20Acess Dave ;) Ok now prove to them your the original author

And here he voidsource simply says "Stars, Stripes and Blood is not your project"

edited on Sep. 17, 2011 01:38 pm by DaveR

i agree sam an admin should lock this since its obvious that one of us will end up getting angry and it aint me trust me on that. lol boss......lol