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Author Topic: What did you honestly think of Black Ops? This is your chance to be heard
brocklanders
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Posted: Friday, Jul. 8, 2011 11:27 am
Hi everyone,

This is your chance to be heard. Im now working at Treyarch as a level designer (thanks Modsonline!) and im really interested in understanding exactly what everyone liked and disliked about Black Ops and also what you would like to see added or removed. I really want our future games to be as good as possible especially as I know how much hard work goes into making them.

Please, let me know your pros and cons or anything else you'd like to say about what was wrong or right about Black Ops.

Dont hold back, these comments and suggestions WILL be heard by the dev team.

Please try to be specific, and not just say its sucks or its awesome.. A list of pros and cons would be great.

Thankyou [thumbs_up]
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Posted: Friday, Jul. 8, 2011 11:54 am
Pros:
- good amount of weapons, perks, and items
(FLAME THROWER! WOOT!)

- the weapon specific unlocks, rather than same attachments for all of same type

- good killstreaks

- loved that there was some customization
(tag, weapon camouflage, face paints)

- leveled weapons
(no god items that get abused)

- great campaign

- Zombies!

- Mod support
(albeit limited, so far)

Cons:

- Not as customizable as i hoped: Custom face paints or even better custom player models
(pick heads, torso, pants, vest...etc.)

- server list option for zombies, not just solely relying on matchmaking.

- more sniper friendly map layouts

- more scripted events in MP maps
(elevators, escalators, doors, etc.)

- Full modding tool kit including mapper and modeller support
(you don't have to make your assets open-source, but allow us to make our own easier)

- not really important, but bipod mounting for sniper rifles and light machine guns

- make heavy machine gun emplacements and develop a gametype that really emphasizes their usage.
(attack the VC stronghold, storm the Russian Citadel, etc)


I believe all in all, BO is a great game and i play it a lot but i would have loved to see these features.

Hope this helps and keep up the good work!
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brocklanders
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Posted: Friday, Jul. 8, 2011 12:21 pm
Hey guys, I just want to add a short disclaimer so I don't get into trouble.

Please don't post any new ideas here cause I don't want you to think we will use them, that's not what this is for.

Please just stick with pros and cons about existing things in BO.
What you loved and what you hated.

Thanks [thumbs_up]
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Welshy
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Posted: Friday, Jul. 8, 2011 12:53 pm
Congratulations brock, Well done mate.

brocklanders writes...
Quote:
Hey guys, I just want to add a short disclaimer so I don't get into trouble.

Please don't post any new ideas here cause I don't want you to think we will use them, that's not what this is for.

Please just stick with pros and cons about existing things in BO.
What you loved and what you hated.

Thanks [thumbs_up]

I second that, I'll leave this topic open providing people show a certain level of maturity towards the topic. No flamewars.
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Samuel033
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Posted: Friday, Jul. 8, 2011 01:10 pm
Well I had this big list of pros and cons before your second post. But they also included ways I think the cons could be improved or simply replaced. Often that means discussing new ideas especially in a modders forum. To be honest there have been so many pro vs con discussions since last November that there is nothing else new to add to the list.. [casanova]

I do understand your disclaimer however. Big companies are very careful about soliciting ideas. Else they can get sued in the future for 'theft'. No joke. There were some significant court cases in Hollywood that the studios/producers/directors lost.

But... I will say that my biggest complaint is the lack of map variety. Since I cannot suggest ideas I wont offer my opinion what a good variety should be. But it should be self-evident.

I'll second... congratulations and best wishes for a long and successful career in the industry. [rocking]
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InsideOut
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Posted: Friday, Jul. 8, 2011 03:16 pm
I have always presumed Treyarch members should already know the Pro and Cons from experience and studio discussions.

You should know exactly what you want in order to be successful. Research can be found in forums and by just playing the game.
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brocklanders
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Posted: Friday, Jul. 8, 2011 05:10 pm
Yes we know what we like and dislike, but from looking at forums and even listening to podcasts, it seems everyone has something to say about it, so here is your chance to have it heard by the dev team. If I can help to improve your experience, I will.

Thanks Welshy and everyone else for your congrads [wink]
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dundy
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Posted: Friday, Jul. 8, 2011 05:48 pm
Being a mapper i seemed like a challege..

As a player..it,s to much of a run and gun game..

At same server it looks like a ADHD game...

Would like to see more UO style maps where you could walk

around before you got killed..just my two cents
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DeekCiti
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Posted: Friday, Jul. 8, 2011 08:04 pm
dundy writes...
Quote:
Being a mapper i seemed like a challege..

As a player..it,s to much of a run and gun game..

At same server it looks like a ADHD game...

Would like to see more UO style maps where you could walk

around before you got killed..just my two cents


First of all Congratulations on the job!! [thumbs_up]
I'm a mapper as well.

This is pretty much my thoughts exactly. I thought the game was worth only a shot through Single Player. Multiplayer was simply boring due to constant fast paced running and gunning games.

CONS:

1. Why is the Multiplayer game built around run and gunning? There are absolutely NO stock, server side options to stop running and gunning or spawn protection. This is a big deal. I feel the game is built around console players. Give players options to be a Tactical Server.

2. You can build bigger maps, because I do it. The maps have no moving parts, no features, just the map. Give the player some options in your maps to control parts of it. Even if it is moving doors, or secret places. It will make the maps have a longer shelf life. The only reason the stock maps make it, is because the console players only have stock maps to play on, it is all they know.

3. Single player is extremely one sided. Meaning... the player has no choices, no options, no separation from what the developer wants us to do as the player. Honestly, this is boring and it makes the game less valuable. I've only played the Single Player one time because of this reason. You give the player just ONE way to get to the end. The player must kill the wave of forces and then move onto the next wave or room filled with baddies. Hardly any flanking or tactical options. I feel like I'm NOT even in control. Wait, I'm not.

4. Game Audio could really use some work. Look at Battlefield Bad Company. They know how to make the audio experience exquisite. I feel like I'm shooting a pellet gun in all Call of Duty Games. The audio is simply terrible.

5. Animations could also use some help. I think the death animations of a player both MP and SP work and look really bad. Ragdoll is honestly one of the best effects you can do for death animations. Scripted deaths don't work well in changing environments. They get caught on things, and just look really bad.

6. Too little player customization. Players want to be in control of what they look like and who they are. Women play this game too. Why are there no Female models?? Females ARE in the military.

7. Zombies get's old really fast. I don't know what it is, but there is something lacking in the Zombie game.


PROS:

1. Graphics are pretty good. This includes effects and so on. I would sacrifice some graphics for better audio.

2. Nice weapon selection and perks etc.

3. You have a great base, but the game itself needs so much work.

4. The story line is decent but nothing special.

==========

Honestly, I can't say much of good things about this game because we haven't had a chance to do anything with it. Everyone knows that PC gamers want to customize their games, and if they can't do it, they don't want it. Think about that when you make your next game. If you want a game built for Console Gamers then don't even bother to release it for PC. PC gamers are a different breed of gamers.
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voidsource
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Posted: Friday, Jul. 8, 2011 08:22 pm
idk about the pro's but i can tell u what i dont like. i guess u can count those as the cons. And since you keep saying this is where the dev teams will hear my voice fine ill go off on the game, because very very few things of it are things that i like. and thats just me and everything else that ill say is just my own opinion.



1. First off your maps have this terrible and awful long range view through creeks, doorways, models, that gets u killed and make u wonder "what the? where that come from". till you see the camper who is camping away like 100 feet away and shoots u through those peeks. I can provide screenshots if u really want to know where.



2. Theres no choke point where one team can say alright we got this ground lets hold it off from the other team. why is that? because theres way too many ways the other team can come from. what good is it to play a game where you dont feel theres a good objective. a good map as an examples is crossfire. They purposely place a choke point in the center. yet theres still ways to go around but without loosing this choke-a-bility. teams work effortlessly to keep the other one from coming in; creating this "this is my zone, back the eff up" zone feeling.



3.all clothing texture seems to blend in just too well with the background on some maps or something else but the look is too dull when placed at a reasonable distance from another player and make it a lil difficult to make him out against the background in some maps. Yes i get that ur not suppose to see him right away but sometimes he just blends in almost well enough when hes like 10 feet away from u and he isnt in a sniper costume.



4.SOUND.....one of the reasons i really dont like to play this game that much is that i have 2 regular speakers on my pc and omg the sound on them isnt good. idk how they manage to do that or who is in charge of sound quality, but the sound of each weapon is dull down. sounds like im shooting a plastic bullet in every gun. almost as if it was a toy gun of some kind.Make sure the sound quality engineer test the quality of sound on 2 speakers. 5.1 and 7.1. then go around to other pc's and test their sounds without making any adjustments prior to testing the sound and or adding/removing anything from that pc. and i dont mean the pc's in that buidling. go to ur cousins pc, your neighbors pc, ppls pc you dont ever go to and test the audio.



5. The posting of +something points for simple things like killing a guy gets annoying. like seriously am i gonna get points if i can make this character turn around on the next cod?
Too many rewards for very lil efforts or no efforts at all in thing is annoying. i feel like i dont have to try at all and ill still get points. would i get points if i type my first message?


dont take this wrong as omg that guy is just trying to start a flamewar. these things mentioned above are very annoying. There the biggest reasons why i kinda regret buying this game. sureeee the company suckered me in it but in the end they got me telling my friends hey u know that new game by treyarch so and so...yea if u can rent it or borrow it from a friend. its not worth buying. and the reason why i post the "cons" is because i beleive u get a better feedback from fixing wats really bad and keeps player off a game than from whats already working there. the good things of a game, youll hear that from ppl. They will speak of it and you wont have to ask. the bad things, ppl will not be as openly to tell u about them but they will just tell their friends hey dont buy that game instead spend ur money on this other game. just saying and congrats on working for treyarch.[thumbs_up]
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