But if Black Ops is just a reskin of MW2 with fancy curreny, and they added lean which MW2 wasn't balanced for...

Lean is going to ruin this game.

i think there are plenty of other things to do that

lean is pretty far down the list there :P

my top 5 most likely disasters

1. Treyarch
2. Poor server options
3. very few stock maps
4. very limited mod tools too late
5. another cod too soon...

on a positive note, the fact that all these games are made for xbox specs means our old pcs are still able to run high settings with no need for upgrades.

Treyarch:

1. Vehicles in all of their COD games
2. Listen to the community and provide feedback
3. SP and Co-op (and zombies) and MP
4. The creators of United Offensive/COD3 (made in just 1 year!) and CODWAW
5. Huge support for mod tools, including tutorials and information direct from the devs.
6. Constantly updating the engine (burn system, gore, dyn water etc)
7. The introduced Co-op to COD
8. More indepth sound with audio rooms and packages

Really the list goes on, all the COD devs are good at what they do and all of them want to make fun games, sure they cater towards the bigger crowd, that's doesn't mean the game will be a disaster is just means they are good businessmen and the game will be as highly polished as ever, just might not be fun for the old fans. I'd prefer them not to have all the gimmicks, but oh well, my style of gameplay is obviously out of date. I can always buy another game that suits my need.

No need to rip into developers at every beckoning call, most of them were from the community in the first place.

I can't wait to see the next steam group "Boycott Black Ops" and then watch all their members buy it.

I can't understand hte attitude people have to tryarch now, did you all forget the IW and MW2 thing a few months back, remember when they said ''screw pc gamers, consoles are where the money are''? IW are greedy, they do not support there players, its all money money money. I know activision are there too but from previous statements IW gave us it pretty clear to me how they think.

Tryarch have given us 2 games, the console game which quite frankly was fairly bad in some ways (voice acting! argh!) but then some of the mission was good fun and new gametypes which have been copid to all the latest games.

And WaW, i really enjoyed the game, missions was great, fun MP and we had support all the way, the modtool where there with all the assets we need, there wiki had tutorials, if we moaned they fixed it.. To me tryarch deserve some respect i think everyone on this forums needs to think back at why your actually throwing all this hate there way?

i don't know why they can't just say..

"right, you all know DLC is part of this whole process now so as a compromise we will commit to full mod/mapping tools once that cycle has finished"

whether that be 3,4,5, or even 6 months at least we'd know and could prepare appropriately.

Its gonna be a real shame if this game goes the way of the MW2 hackfest! especially as its obvious treyarch have ploughed a helluva lot of heart into it!

proper modtools and a decent anti-cheat can make a good game, into a legendary game....just look at UO.