well idk what life ur living in cause ill be str8 up with u its not a no brainer that any teen can afford 40 dollar games. maybe u were born around geting payed for doing work around the house but not everyone has a great life to have money like nothing. so they will go online and download a torrent... do u know how i got my preorder of my mw2? i sold my wii and cod4 because money dosnt grow off trees around where i am.

--- i feel bad for foyleman to make a this a rule or not but if u ask me if u dont trust people and there copy then dont allow them to post about it at all. look i dont wana get into this argument about a rule on a website... im just saying u put the rule for people to take a pic thats just as making a rule as to not even post about maya problems at all on this site. done with this thread ill just let foyleman decide now.
edited on Apr. 6, 2010 01:14 pm by liltc64

To be honest, not that i don't want to be against anyone but, i think LilPimp is right to an extent. Are you going to turn round and deny help for photoshop? maya? or any other expensive program, because you know its not legit and nobody has paid for them>?

My opinion is that, i agree with you demonseed but, as what has happened in the past, I think your digging a hole to be honest because, at the end of the day, regardless of the cost of whichever product you use, whether cod2 is adffordable, at the end of the day, people don't pay for it and you help them with it, so you should help them with maya because at the end of the day, FRAUD IS FRAUD, regardless of the cost of the product.

However, its your own opinion to give somebody help, but the reasons you are denying the help are wrong - i think anyway.

hyper1234 writes...

As difficult as the process of policing is, it is not something which serious minded administrators of modding sites can bulk at. As I already posted, as a Director of a very large modding site, we have already taken the decision to outlaw discussion or help to anyone who quite OBVIOUSLY (and therein lies the rub of the whole matter - obviously!) cannot afford professional grade software without proof of purchase.

I know for a fact, other modding sites run similar rules about it (its where we got our forum policy model from). So it isnt like Im suggesting something really outrageous.

As for Photoshop, I own a legitimate copy of PS CS2 and CS3 because you can come across them at knock-down prices if you are clever enough in where you look for them. So again, I dont see PS as an issue in the same ball park as Maya or 3D Max.

The only people who would resist what I am suggesting are, to my mind, those who support piracy, those who are pirates, or those who think we should turn a blind eye to it and pretend like it will just go away.

i know i said i was done with the thread but hyper brought a good point fruad is fruad no matter what the product is and as photoshop dose hit the grand limit such as maya and like u said demonseed this can effect peoples familys and okay other large sites do what ur saying well im pretty sure iwnation is a large site? or well a pretty good site if u ask me but yet i dont see that policy being enforced over there and if u have the proof of purchase rule for maya over here u should put it on photoshop as well but that will just ruin alot of things dont u see? theres a bunch of tuts and fourms about how tos for maya and photoshop not just this one. i say just lock the thread and throw away the key cause theres no way around not helping people unless u say no we will not help u unless da da da. i dont think it should be a rule i think it should be a choice.

As I said, pirates and supporters of piracy will argue against measures being put in place against support of pirated software. Where do you stand on that one my friend?

Also, as I further said, although its difficult implimenting rules against it, its NOT IMPOSSIBLE. Most law-abiding citizens wont mind proving they own a legit copy of a piece of software. Its only those who dont have legit copies who are going to whinge about it.

look i have a pirated program not my own pirated program i got photoshop cs4 and a bunch more i can go for days but i do not have 1 pirated game. and what are u gona do about it? u get my point i dont care i have a pirated program and i dont see why ur crying over it, my point over this whole thread is WHY PROOF OF PURCHASE OF MAYA WHEN U DONT HAVE TO FOR ANYTHING ELSE THIS SITE SUPPORTS. like hyper said Fraud is Fraud. if u wana stop 1 thing stop it all. and demonseed u can pee-pee off and suck the big one not gona argue over the internet with a little child like u pce.

--- dont think ur someone big because ur part of a big website welcome to the real world ur no one just like the rest of everyone else in this world.

edited on Apr. 6, 2010 02:07 pm by liltc64

Its not a hornets nest.

But its also a subject that can fall into a huge gray area. Plenty of people write books on how to use computer software, publishers make a ton of money at it, the bookstores get their own cut, but buyers do not have to have to provide program licenses or anything like that. Doesnt matter if its a book on iTunes or Avid. A book writer could decide not to make one out of concern for piracy, but that never happens. They are teachers sharing their knowledge, not the copyright police.

However if a bookstore chooses not to offer computer books due to their anti-piracy concerns thats their right. I suppose if they contacted the companies in question.... autodesk included... they would say dont worry about it and sell the books. This forum can also have its own rules since it is a private site. But I also suspect in this case autodesk wouldnt take issue with it either. But thats not our choice to make.

In any case.... probably time to lock the thread. Cheers.

Since it's been asked what to expect from me on this subject...

I don't have the time to start asking everyone for proof and I am not the police. I will continue doing just what the US Army does... [ I ] don't ask and [ you ] don't tell. However, if you tell, then I'm going to have to take appropriate action which is usually locking/deletion of related threads.

I do not believe in piracy and will not support it. If you can't afford it, you shouldn't own it. I believe that pirating is stealing. I don't have a personal gray line there.

For this site, I can't afford the time to be a full-time policeman. Therefore, don't state you are working with pirated software. If you do, the thread will be closed down and you may receive some finger wagging by others in the community.

If someone such as demonseed wants to ask if you are working with pirated software (because you posted an open question to the community that raises his suspicion), then he may respectfully ask. He has his personal boundaries. You can choose to ignore his request and in return be ignored in receiving his assistance. This doesn't mean someone else won't answer your question... as long as it doesn't lead to the revelation that you are definitely working with pirated software. If such a revelation is made, the thread will be deleted/locked.

It's funny, all Autodesk actually have to do is prove you stole their software and they could destroy your life, forever.

But then again, with their pricetag of $6000, I think they know perfectly well that indie modders are 100% going to pirate it.

Independent developers wouldnt because their game revenue will probably give them back the money they spent on a Maya Licence.

But when would a happy modder wanting to import a nice little rock pay $6000 for it? NEVER.

I personally blame IW for releasing such a dumb plugin for the "modding community". Do they think any of us are going to pay just so we can import a few models then never use it again?

IMO, if you want to make models for cod2/4/waw and in the future probably MW2 and this Vietnam poo-poo, you are forced to pirate Maya.

To be honest you can buy a Maya license for 6 months for a little under $100, so whos to say people with Maya just didn't buy a license? You can also get a pretty hefty discount if your a current college student studing media arts. I think they take about 80% off which puts it at $700 much more reasonable I must say. So in all reality its not hard to believe one has the ability to buy Maya on any income. I do not judge by income what so ever. In my eyes all people are equal unless they don't treat another equal. Thats my 2 cents.